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Old 6th February 2009, 06:05 PM   #221 (permalink)
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NPC classes are never favored, if memory serves me right.
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Old 6th February 2009, 08:25 PM   #222 (permalink)
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Hmmm...this is tough..I can't really see them as spellcasters...maybe fighter, since they protect the queen?
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Old 6th February 2009, 08:58 PM   #223 (permalink)
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Fighter seems the best PC class option.
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Old 6th February 2009, 09:04 PM   #224 (permalink)
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This part still makes that a tough pill to swallow...

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Her drone servants which are the female Sha’az, are flightless and fight with a -2 attack penalty. The drones’ mandibles are not poisoned. They fight only if no other choice is available, or if the queen is in some sort of danger. Drones are not normally armed.
That doesn't sound like trained fighters. Maybe the drones should simply not advance, unless promoted to queen?
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Old 6th February 2009, 11:11 PM   #225 (permalink)
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No advancement is fine (except to queen), and we don't have to stat them as a PC race either.

Edit: Or make them bards.
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Old 6th February 2009, 11:16 PM   #226 (permalink)
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So if we ditch advancement, do we change them from being 1st-level commoners? Or can we just state in the flavor text that they are always commoners?

This is a weird critter.
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Old 7th February 2009, 12:02 AM   #227 (permalink)
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Oy. These guys are making my head hurt. Let's go "can only advance in NPC classes" in the advancement text. No LA.
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Old 8th February 2009, 05:43 AM   #228 (permalink)
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Oy. These guys are making my head hurt. Let's go "can only advance in NPC classes" in the advancement text. No LA.
This is probably the best solution. And just ditch the PC race options, too.
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Old 9th February 2009, 04:41 PM   #229 (permalink)
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Agreed. Updated. Ready for the queen?
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Old 9th February 2009, 05:54 PM   #230 (permalink)
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Old 9th February 2009, 08:34 PM   #231 (permalink)
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Old 9th February 2009, 08:38 PM   #232 (permalink)
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Here are the relevant bits...

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Each hive has a queen that fights like a 10 Hit Dice sha’az with 10th-level clerical spellcasting abilities.
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A queen lays eight-pound eggs that ensure the survival of the hive. She is the only sha’az capable of casting spells and of making magical objects.
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A queen lives several centuries. Occasionally, she engenders another queen who leaves when it is an adult so it may establish another hive. This new hive is a loyal vassal of the motherqueen.

Social status among sha’az depends on how close to the mother-queen one’s hive belongs. There can be many layers of mother-daughter allegiances among sha’az hives. When a queen dies, her drones ritually seal the entrance to her hive. Soon thereafter the mourning hive dies of asphyxiation. Its vassal hives, if any, then become vassals of the oldest related mother-queen.
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Old 9th February 2009, 08:59 PM   #233 (permalink)
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Well, I'd say start with a regular sha'az, add 10 cleric levels (and elite array), the other part of the telepathy bit, the sha'az egg sidebar, and any other SAs we feel like. The rest seems basically like flavor. Simple enough.
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Old 9th February 2009, 09:46 PM   #234 (permalink)
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I dunno. We could make her a 10 HD monstrous humanoid that casts spells as a 10th level cleric (with the spellcasting stacking with any later levels in cleric acquired) and with the Item Mastery ability, letting her use any magical item and giving her some item crafting feats as bonus feats.
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Old 9th February 2009, 10:03 PM   #235 (permalink)
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I dunno. We could make her a 10 HD monstrous humanoid that casts spells as a 10th level cleric (with the spellcasting stacking with any later levels in cleric acquired) and with the Item Mastery ability, letting her use any magical item and giving her some item crafting feats as bonus feats.
I'd prefer this approach. The queens of most hive-based fantasy media are of the "born not made" mold.
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Old 10th February 2009, 04:21 PM   #236 (permalink)
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Assuming we go this route, suggested ability scores?

I'm assuming high Wis and Cha.

We gave the warriors and knights +4 Dexterity, +2 Wisdom, -2 Charisma atop the nonelite and stardard arrays.
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Old 10th February 2009, 06:34 PM   #237 (permalink)
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Well, for these guys, since they don't have levels, we shouldn't use the elite array. They don't seem to be any larger than the other sha'az, so we shouldn't boost their Strength much or penalize their Dex. And I agree that a high Wis and Cha are appropriate.
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Old 10th February 2009, 08:21 PM   #238 (permalink)
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Drone: Str 11, Dex 17, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 11, Cha 6
Warrior: Str 11, Dex 17, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 11, Cha 6
Knight: Str 15, Dex 17, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 16, Cha 6

How about...

Queen: Str 11, Dex 17, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 16, Cha 16?
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Old 11th February 2009, 12:20 AM   #239 (permalink)
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How about Wis 18 or 20? I'd rather they were wiser than the knights?
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Wis 20 seems appropriate.

PS. The knight appears to have used the elite array. And maybe not gotten its 4HD +1 to an ability score; the knights kind of confuse me, to be honest, since I thought they really are psychic warriors.
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