Creature Catalogue Overhaul Project Revisited

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Added to Homebrews.

Originally Posted by freyar

Should we stick with the "advancement by absorbing fire" or switch to the more pedestrian temporary hp? If we stick
with advancement (which is kind of fun if nonstandard), I do think we should raise to 12hp=1HD, since undead have d12 HD.

Dunno. What do others think?

Originally Posted by freyar

Hurl fire should have an action type (standard?) and probably a radius. 5 or 10 ft?

Standard action is implied for special abilities, but I'm fine with implicity noting it. 5-foot-radius seems appropriate for the burst.

However, if a battle with other undead is forced upon them, their flames inflict double damage upon "cold" undead such as vampires, liches, wights, and ghouls.

Since such a designation no longer exists, I'd say we either drop this or apply it to undead with immunity to cold.

[demiurge1138]

Positive levels!

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Originally Posted by demiurge1138

Positive levels!

Brilliant! Two chances to use that ability in one week.

[freyar]

Hehe! Or do you really mean negative levels for these?

[demiurge1138]

Positive levels if they weren't undead. So yes, negative levels.

[freyar]

It's really too bad we're only able to use positive levels on undead so far.

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Originally Posted by freyar

It's really too bad we're only able to use positive levels on undead so far.

I'm positive that it's left me with a negative reaction.

[freyar]

Since such a designation no longer exists, I'd say we either drop this or apply it to undead with immunity to cold.

I think that idea makes sense. Could apply it to other types of critters, too.

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Here's an attempted revision to hurl fire...

Hurl Fire (Su): A blazing bones can hurl a head-sized ball of flame as a standard action. This is a ranged attack with no range increments and a maximum range of 20 feet. This miniature fireball deals 2d4 points of fire damage (DC 13 Reflex half) and sets fire to combustibles and damages objects in the area. The save DC is Charisma-based.

Should we borrow the negative level advancement bit from the blood warriors?

[demiurge1138]

Ranged, or ranged touch attack?

The negative level advancement seems appropriate.

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Probably ranged touch like a splash weapon targeting a creature.


How's this?

Absorb Magical Fire (Su): Fire and heat generated by magic items, spells, or the like serve to heal a blazing bones. A magical attack that deals fire damage heals 1 point of damage for each 3 points of damage the attack would otherwise deal. If the amount of healing would cause the blazing bones to exceed its full normal hit points, it gains 1 negative level. A blazing bones with a negative level gains a +1 competence bonus on all skill checks and ability checks, attack rolls, and saving throws, and gains one effective level or Hit Die (whenever level is used in a die roll or calculation) for each negative level. A spellcaster gains one spell slot of the highest level of spells she can cast and (if applicable) one prepared spell of that level. These gains persist until the negative level goes away. A negative level that is not removed after 24 hours becomes permanent, resulting in advancement by 1 HD.

[freyar]

Looks pretty good, but I think we need to specify when or why negative levels might go away (so they don't automatically result in permanent HD advancement).

Hurl fire with ranged touch sounds right. Should this deal double damage against creatures immune to cold?

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Originally Posted by freyar

Looks pretty good, but I think we need to specify when or why negative levels might go away (so they don't automatically result in permanent HD advancement).

Hmmm...are we overcomplicating this with negative levels?

Originally Posted by freyar

Hurl fire with ranged touch sounds right. Should this deal double damage against creatures immune to cold?

I'd be fine with leaving it to the cold subtype to do its +50% damage, but if you want to expand it to deal additional damage to undead with immunity to cold, I could handle that.

[demiurge1138]

Extra damage to undead immune to cold seems a bit overmuch, I think.

[freyar]

Originally Posted by demiurge1138

Extra damage to undead immune to cold seems a bit overmuch, I think.

Agreed, let's just leave it as is, and the cold subtype will do its job.

Regarding negative levels: why don't we say that Absorb Magical Fire gives temporary hp that last 24 hours and that they have a negative level as long as they have temporary hp? This way, some adventuring group can knock the negative level off. Or is that too complicated?

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Originally Posted by freyar

Regarding negative levels: why don't we say that Absorb Magical Fire gives temporary hp that last 24 hours and that they have a negative level as long as they have temporary hp? This way, some adventuring group can knock the negative level off. Or is that too complicated?

Dunno. Demiurge?

[demiurge1138]

That sounds pretty reasonable to me.

[freyar]

Do these need any more?

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Updated.

The 3e version currently has too many feats. It only gets two.

Here are its 3e feats: Alertness, Dodge, Improved Initiative, Lightning Reflexes, Toughness

A blazing bones is about 6 feet tall and weighs x pounds.

A blazing bones can be created by ...

[demiurge1138]

The hurl fire is a ranged touch attack, yes? Let's put it into the Attack line, and give it Point Blank Shot and Improved Initiative for its feats.

I'm thinking the CR on this guy is a bit inflated. I'd dial it down to 4.