Converting prehistoric creatures

[demiurge1138]

Damn! I was beaten to the Sarkastodon joke!

Agreed to CR 4.

[InsanePsychoRabbit]

Shouldn't the stamps be +8? (instead of +7)

[Shade]

Good catch. Updated.

[demiurge1138]

Move on to dire camel?

[InsanePsychoRabbit]

OK.

The ability scores that Shade suggested for the dire camel were Str 26, Dex 16, Con 22, Int 2, Wis 13, Cha 5. How many hit dice should it have?

[Shade]

A quick glance through the various dire creatures seems to indicate 14 HD as a starting point for Huge dire creatures. Wanna use 14 HD?

[demiurge1138]

Sure!

[InsanePsychoRabbit]

OK. Let's get started.

[Shade]

Added to Homebrews.

[demiurge1138]

Elephants have +7 natural armor, which I think is about right.

Perhaps we should give it some sort of a spit attack? Blinding and/or sickening?

[freyar]

Maybe Power Attack and Imp Overrun for the feats? I don't know why, but I kind of see these as just trampling over people.

Edit: if we take demiurge' s suggestion of a spit attack, I could go with Iron Will and Ability Focus.

[demiurge1138]

I'd be happy dropping Alertness for Power Attack, Point Blank Shot, Ability Focus (spit). I'm seeing the spit as a ranged touch attack.

[Shade]

So, it's five feats should be Ability Focus (spit), Endurance, Multiattack, Point Blank Shot, Power Attack?

Is this what you had in mind?

Spit (Ex): A dire camel can launch spittle as a ranged touch attack to a maximum range of x feet. A struck creature is blinded and sickened for 1 round.

[InsanePsychoRabbit]

If it has Ability Focus with the spit ability, shouldn't the ability allow a saving throw? Or do ranged touch attacks allow saving throws of any sort? (Certainly a poison would, and some things can shoot out their poison...)
The range should be 30 feet. All the things that I looked at in the MM had 30 feet as the maximum range for ranged touch attacks.
Its Will save looks too small for a Dire Animal. It should be +10.

[Shade]

Good point. Demiurge probably intended a save, and my mind probably got caught up in the "spells that require touch attacks don't have saving throws" nonsense.

Good catch on the Will save as well. I often forget that animals sometimes get good Will saves.

[demiurge1138]

If struck, sickened, save or blinded. Can do it 3/day?

[freyar]

Sounds about right.

[RavinRay]

If ordinary camels are bad enough with their spit, dire camels ought to be much worse. So give it a sickening/blinding spit by all means!

[Shade]

Revising...

Spit (Ex): Three times per day, a dire camel can launch spittle as a ranged touch attack to a maximum range of 30 feet. A struck creature is sickened for 1 round, and must succeed on a DC X Fortitude save or be blinded for 1dx rounds. The save DC is Constitution-based.

[demiurge1138]

1d4?