Converting prehistoric creatures

[InsanePsychoRabbit]

d12s don't get enough love , so let's use that for the bite damage. The skills and feats you selected look good.

Also how about we call it Worry instead of Chew? The fhorge's (from FF) Worry ability has exactly the same effect but with different wording:

Originally Posted by 3rd edition Fiend Folio

Worry (Ex): A fhorge that successfully gets a hold on an opponent with its improved grab ability shakes the victim violently back and forth. This attack deals bite damage each round until the victim breaks free, the fhorge is slain, or the victim dies.

[freyar]

Worry is probably what I was thinking of. I think Chew is what we call it when something "Swallows Whole" but only holds the victim in its mouth. I think we got that from the Milivorn (sp?) from either FF or MM3.

[Shade]

The only problem with worry, is that it implies improved grab with the bite. We've currently given it to the claws. Do we want to extend improved grab to all attacks, and stick with worry? Or go with one of those "free bite attack against grappled victim/if both claws hit" abilities?

Let's do Multiattack instead of Weapon Focus. The rest of the skills and feats look good.

[demiurge1138]

I like chew. Grabs with the claws, does automatic bit damage.

[freyar]

Originally Posted by demiurge1138

I like chew. Grabs with the claws, does automatic bit damage.

That ability sounds like what we want, but I can't help but think that we've called something else Chew (ie, the not-quite-Swallow Whole). What about maybe "Chomp"?

[InsanePsychoRabbit]

or Gnaw or Crunch?

[Shade]

I like "gnaw".

The chew ability, I believe, we obtained from one of Demiurge's World of Kong conversions. I'm not sure if its been used by WotC.

[demiurge1138]

Gnaw sounds good to me.

[freyar]

Like a dog with a bone. I like it!

[Shade]

Updated.

[InsanePsychoRabbit]

Now we need its CR and advancement. We also need the rend damage.

Its CR looks like about a 9 to me. It has more natural and special attacks than the Sarkastodon.

Advancement 16-24 HD (Large); 25-30 HD (Huge)?

Am I right in guessing that the rend damage should be 2d10+15? How is rend damage usually determined?

[Shade]

That all looks about right to me.

And, based off the troll, rend damage equals double claw damage plus Str and 1/2. I've seen exceptions before, but none come to mind at the moment.

[freyar]

That all looks about right to me, too.

[demiurge1138]

We're keeping rend? Alright, this is one nasty bear! With that, CR 9 seems completely appropriate.

[InsanePsychoRabbit]

I also notice that we don't have flavor text for Combat. Otherwise, it looks like we're finished.

[Relique du Madde]

Reported

[demiurge1138]

Originally Posted by Relique du Madde

Reported

...what?

[Echohawk]

The spam between InsanePsychoRabbit's post and Relique du Madde posting "Reported". Which has since been deleted

[Shade]

Updated.

Since we figured them for potential pack hunters, add pack (3-x) to the organization line?

[demiurge1138]

3-6, probably. Nothing too big--they'd have to bring in a lot of food to survive in large numbers.