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Old 10th December 2008, 08:51 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I saw the grapple bonus, but moved it into the attach entry like the stirge.

I'll update the Advancement line like yours.

So, 3 feet. Suggested weight?
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Old 10th December 2008, 09:03 PM   #22 (permalink)
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30-40 lb?
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Old 10th December 2008, 09:10 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Sounds good. Agreed that Ability Focus would be mean.
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Old 10th December 2008, 09:12 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Updated.

Finished?
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Old 10th December 2008, 09:25 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I'd say so. Now, about that other gorgonopsid...
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Old 10th December 2008, 09:34 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Yeah, still no luck on that front. I thought dinogorgon might fit the bill, but it appears to be "lion sized" on most accounts, and some say it is 10 feet long.
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Old 10th December 2008, 09:54 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Ok, I see that it's written in the Attach entry, but the bonus doesn't seem to be figured into the Base Attack/Grapple line like it says it is (if you add in the racial bonus, the grapple modifier should be +1, not -3). Other than that, I'd say we're done.
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Let's do Lycaeops as a Small one, then.
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Old 10th December 2008, 10:04 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Ok, I see that it's written in the Attach entry, but the bonus doesn't seem to be figured into the Base Attack/Grapple line like it says it is (if you add in the racial bonus, the grapple modifier should be +1, not -3). Other than that, I'd say we're done.
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Let's do Lycaeops as a Small one, then.
Sounds good. Start with your lycaesaurus stats?
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Basing Lycaenops off of demiurge's Lycaesaurus...

I'd put the Str and Dex scores at 13 at least. Since it's going to be Small, if we want to keep its Trip-related abilities, I'd also give it a racial bonus to its Trip modifier, since IIRC Trip uses the same size modifier as grapple checks. I might also suggest taking off 1 hit die (retaining Track as a bonus feat).
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Sorry for double-posting, but i found a gorgonopsid that might be Medium-sized. According to this posting, Arctognathus was 1.8 meters in length.
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Old 10th December 2008, 11:22 PM   #33 (permalink)
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For something Small, I'd start with dinocanisaurus. Not sure I'd want to keep the Small one trip-intensive, but there's no real evidence for the swarmfighting thing either.
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Old 10th December 2008, 11:40 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Sorry for double-posting, but i found a gorgonopsid that might be Medium-sized. According to this posting, Arctognathus was 1.8 meters in length.
Great!
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Old 11th December 2008, 01:38 PM   #35 (permalink)
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What now? Do we want to work on Lycaenops or Arctognathus? If we were to work on Arctognathus, the Medium one, we could base it off Lycaesaurus and not have to make too many changes (I like the trip abilities).
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Old 12th December 2008, 05:25 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Let's start with the Medium one and work our way down the size scale.
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OK. Base it off Lycaesaurus?
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Agreed.
We should bump it up a Hit Die. I'm thinking it should be bear-like (heck, Arctognathus means bear jaw in Greek), so let's look at the black bear for an idea of the ability scores.
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Good thinking on making it less wolf-y, more black bear. I still think we should go tripping/rend fallen rather than grappling, though.
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