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Old 1st July 2009, 05:59 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Cleon, you don't like hypnotism?

Flyby Attack and Spell Penetration work for me.

I like Appraise for these. If we want Diplomacy (though I don't get that vibe very strongly), I'd say drop Hide since I don't get a super-stealthy vibe from them either. So either just replace Hide with Know (arcana) or split ranks with Diplomacy, I guess.
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Old 1st July 2009, 06:22 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Let's stick with hypnotism, since nothing in the original writup indicates any particular interest in harming others.

Along those same lines, I agree with adding Diplomacy. These things have good tendencies, so it makes sense that they'd want to converse with other creatures. Dropping Hide is fine, since they can simply "phase out" if they need to disappear. I want to keep at least a few ranks in Appraise, though, since the limited flavor text made a point to indicate their greed

How about Appraise 3, Concentration 6, Diplomacy 3, Knowledge (arcana) 6, Listen 6, Spellcraft 6, Spot 6?
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Old 2nd July 2009, 02:53 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Those skills and feats appeal.
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Old 2nd July 2009, 11:58 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Cleon, you don't like hypnotism?
Well it's a bit of a "meh" spell for me, since it usually just ends up with either enough of the phase dragon's opponents making their Will save to attack it and break the dragon's concentration, or everyone just ends up staring at each other and doing nothing. I'd prefer something a bit more proactive, but it's easy enough to swap it out for other phase dragons.

If you don't like damage-dealing spells, there's always sleep I guess.

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How about Appraise 3, Concentration 6, Diplomacy 3, Knowledge (arcana) 6, Listen 6, Spellcraft 6, Spot 6?
Those skills & feats work for me too.
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Old 2nd July 2009, 04:29 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Suggested duration for the confusion effect of the breath weapon? Maybe 1d6 rounds?

Environment: Any forests?

Organization: Solitary or pair?

Challenge Rating: 2?

Treasure: Triple standard?
It had type F, which includes:
1-20 1,000s of silver pieces: 10%
1-12 1,000s of electrum pieces: 15%
1-10 1,000s of gold pieces: 40%
1-8 100s of platinum pieces: 35%
3-30 gems: 20%
1-10 jewelry: 10%
Maps or Magic Items: Any 3 except swords or miscellaneous weapons, plus 1 potion & 1 scroll: 30%

Alignment: Always chaotic, rarely evil?

Level Adjustment: +3 (like pseudodragon)?
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Triple standard, forests and 1d6 rounds sounds good.

The breath weapon is nastier than the pseudodragon's sleep venom, and it's got spellcasting (albeit a little bit of it, but color spray can make or break entire parties at low levels). I'd say CR 3.
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A phase dragon is roughly 3 feet long and weighs about x pounds.

Phase dragons speak Draconic and Common?
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How much does a pseudodragon weigh?

The languages look good.
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A pseudodragon has a body about 1 foot long, with a 2-foot tail. It weights about 7 pounds.
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OK. So are these guys three feet long in the body, or do they have roughly the same proportions, you think? They don't have a sting attack, which suggests a shorter tail, bulkier body and higher (10 pounds? 15?) weight.
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OK. So are these guys three feet long in the body, or do they have roughly the same proportions, you think? They don't have a sting attack, which suggests a shorter tail, bulkier body and higher (10 pounds? 15?) weight.
They'd probably be Small sized if they were three feet long in the body. I'd be fine with making them the same weight as a Pseudodragon, or a little heavier. Maybe 8 pounds, the upper limit for a standard Tiny creature.
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Updated.

Suggested duration for the confusion effect of the breath weapon? Maybe 1d6 rounds?
1d6 is OK. I wouldn't go any higher, since it's quite effective.

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Yes, those both fit.

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Challenge Rating: 2?

Treasure: Triple standard?
I agree with demiurge, CR3 is more fitting, although I considering their ethereal phase ability more significant than 1 level or sorcery.

Type F is an awfully good treasure for such a little critter, so triple standard is fine as far as I'm concerned. They'll presumably use their ethereal jaunt to hide their lair, so it'll be difficult to retrieve.

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Level Adjustment: +3 (like pseudodragon)?
Yes to the alignment, but I'd make the Level Adjustment higher. You're talking about a spellcasting PC with ethereal jaunt at will. That's a killer ability, so I would think LA +4, or maybe even +5, is more appropriate.
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Wow, good progress.

I like all the above, and 8-10 lb is fine with me.
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Old 6th July 2009, 04:58 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Finished?
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Yep!
The stats looks finished so I'd say it's good to go, unless we fancy adding a bit more descriptive text. Maybe something about it stealing unattended valuables?

It looks a bit odd that the phase dragon's combat strategy make no mention of its ethereal jaunt ability, so maybe we could expand that? Something like "A phase dragon prefers to avoid combat, utilizing its breath weapon to cover its escape into the ethereal plane. If forced to fight, it uses its ethereal jaunt ability to make jaunt-and-run attacks."
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Hey, that's really good! I'm all for adding those tactics.
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Agreed! Updated.
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