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Old 3rd March 2005, 06:30 AM   #161 (permalink)
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As an adjunct, our gaming group recently decided to build our own battlemat - I believe our illustrious carpenter spent all of $15. for a 5'x8' piece of "shower wall board" which we scored with a box cutter in a 1" grid. Voila! a battlemat wich will readily take dry erase or wet erase markers, and would be an ideal surface for this top-down projection idea!

I'll start working on the guys immediately!
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Old 3rd March 2005, 07:04 AM   #162 (permalink)
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can it unhide in a radius? like character's using a torch?
This is one of the things I like about using Photoshop. I can reveal exactly what I want.

Other Photoshop niceties:

- Really easy zooming so you can see the whole layout.
- Scrolling via the "hand tool" - much faster and more accurate than using scroll bars.
- Great spell area effects including transparency, outlining, snap-to-grid, snap-to-center.
- Auto grid creation when needed.
- Full screen mode on the projector with tool palettes and menus on the computer display.
- Text tool for player notes.
- Layers and layer sets for organizing map elements (you can even have multiple maps in one document).

Of course there are some drawbacks:

Price - At $650 it's almost as expensive as the projector. Photoshop Elements is "only" $100, but I'm not familiar with it's features. Price alone will rule this out for many folks.

Complexity - Photoshop is a professional image editing program. It's complicated. Don't think you're going to learn it easily.

Difficulty - It takes some practice to become proficient in using all of the tools and brushes. I've become very adroit and fast at editing maps in-game, but the first few game sessions were a bit tedious.
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That projector is one of the coolest props I have ever seen in a RPG campaign. Ever. EVER.
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Mad props to youse guys. Very clever, and I'm quite jealous
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A neat trick you could use in photoshop would be to cover the entire map with a black layer, and use the erase tool on that layer to reveal what the PC's can see - this wold eliminate any need to pre-prep areas to mask off...

This may be what Steel Wind was referring to, but he wasn't specific enough for me to tell...
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Old 3rd March 2005, 03:35 PM   #166 (permalink)
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See now im torn between photoshop and that other mapping software. I know photoshop so I will probably go with it.
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Old 3rd March 2005, 03:45 PM   #167 (permalink)
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A neat trick you could use in photoshop would be to cover the entire map with a black layer, and use the erase tool on that layer to reveal what the PC's can see - this wold eliminate any need to pre-prep areas to mask off...
That's exactly what I do with my setup. Though I usually grab a sample of the "negative space" texture and tile it for the mask (or fog of war) layer instead of just using a solid black color. Here's a screenshot of a projected map:



The red secret door and trap symbols are on separate layers that I reveal when the players discover them.

I use a combination of the erase tool (with lots of shift-clicking to erase in straight lines) and the marquee tool to remove portions of the mask layer.
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What you could do is have a layer to hide what the group can't see, and do a difference cloud on it.
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I asked Lionheart Communications (the PR firm that released the article):

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Hello –
I was hoping to get some more detailed specifications on the PocketProjector. Of most concern are the light level outputs on this small unit.
Thanks –
I got a fast reply:

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Thank you for your interest in the PocketProjector. As this product is still in development, specs have not yet been finalized. Please check the Mitsubishi website www.mitsubishi-presentations.com for more information as we get closer to our ship date in July.
Looks like July. Until then I will have to use the screen that came on my laptop.
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Old 3rd March 2005, 08:18 PM   #170 (permalink)
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No offense to your players, but I can never understand that, especially those people who spend every week playing. If you spend that much time playing, why not invest in your game some more. At least buy the damn book!

I have a theory that the less people play, the more books they buy. Maybe it's because you're too busy playing to read...
Not everyone has the 20-30 to spend on a book. That is lot of money to some folks. Some people don't have the spare cash or have it earmarked for other things.
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- Really easy zooming so you can see the whole layout.
- Scrolling via the "hand tool" - much faster and more accurate than using scroll bars.
- Great spell area effects including transparency, outlining, snap-to-grid, snap-to-center.
- Auto grid creation when needed.
- Full screen mode on the projector with tool palettes and menus on the computer display.
- Text tool for player notes.
- Layers and layer sets for organizing map elements (you can even have multiple maps in one document).

Of course there are some drawbacks:

Price - At $650 it's almost as expensive as the projector. Photoshop Elements is "only" $100, but I'm not familiar with it's features. Price alone will rule this out for many folks.

Complexity - Photoshop is a professional image editing program. It's complicated. Don't think you're going to learn it easily.

Difficulty - It takes some practice to become proficient in using all of the tools and brushes. I've become very adroit and fast at editing maps in-game, but the first few game sessions were a bit tedious.
Jasc Software's Paint Shop Pro can accomplish any of the tasks you outlined, provided it's version 7 or later.

It's much simpler and easier to use than Photoshop, and it retails for, IIRC, $50 US. If not, it's less than $100.
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BenQ PB6200

Well, I just ordered a BenQ PB6200.

Now while I wait for it to arrive I get to rearrange my game room, tweak lighting (got a lamp in the way of the projector to take down.) figure out how on earth I'm going to securely attach it to the joist overhead (while leaving it easily removable) and (the fun bit) upgrade my "server box" with spare parts I've had lying around for awhile to use as the map machine.

I'm going crazy with excitement!

Oh, and it seems that Dell special has ended on the MP2200. At least the link I gave earlier doesn't show the $719 price anymore. (I had practically decided on it, but when I saw it was now $899 I decided that the extra $250 wasn't such a stretch. (I just didn't want to go that extra bit for the Dell 2300MP.)

Anyway. I'll be sure to follow-up here with my experiences and possibly game-room photos!
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The BenQ PB6200 is a nice unit. At 1700 ANSI, its a little bit brighter than the one we use (ours is 1600 ANSI) and yours is 1024 x 768 native mode. Very nice rig. HDTV compatible too

Where did you order it from and for how much?

Looking forward to your pics and experiences...
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Many projectors of these types are designed to be mounted (though not projecting downwards!), and have mounting kits available. Even if they don't, most have screw holes in the bottom that should help you come up with a mounting solution that isn't too difficult.
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Try something like we used. A wire cradle works well - and it's CHEAP.
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I ordered it from Tiger Direct.

They have a Refurbished PB6200 for $999 with just a 1 year warrenty from BenQ and they have a New PB6200 for $1149 with a $50 mail-in rebate. After some reasonable searching that seemed like the best prices I could find. Normally I would have gone with NewEgg.Com (who has it for $1199 with a $50 mail-in rebate) as I just prefer them for buying practically anything they sell, but Tiger Direct actually has a retail center not too far from me. I figure if I have any complaints I can probably bring it in there and have someone to yell at.

I thought about one of the mounts for it, but I wasn't sure if they would hold it vertically very well. I'll have to look at some.

Your wire cradle looks neat and cheap too. Hopefully I can find something similar that makes me confident.
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Not a bad price either way. Did you go refurb or new?

Looking forward to everyone's pics!
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Hee. I'm trying to avoid that answer.

I chose the refurb and regretted it almost as soon as it shipped.
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Not everyone has the 20-30 to spend on a book. That is lot of money to some folks. Some people don't have the spare cash or have it earmarked for other things.
I understand that, as do the the people on these boards i'm sure. Therefore I suggest two alternatives:

1) Ask to borrow a Players Handbook. If you have any questions then call your gaming group or sign on here so we can answer your questions about problems designing your character.

2) They can always download PARTS (not all) of the SRD if they wish here or here.

They don't have even print it out. They can always take a look at it online and work from there.

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Hi Steelwind,
This set up is truly amazing and has me really wanting to potentially try this. However, I noticed that you were thinking of doing a "guide" to this. When will that be out? Will it include all the necessary "hardware" (assorted options; things to look consider; mounting etc) along with software required and potentially ballpark prices? I showed this thread to my group and they were drooling over it! Please let me know when this guide will be done!! Thanks.
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