Comprehensive Lava rules?

[der_kluge]

I'm trying to find a good, concise set of lava rules. Anyone have any suggestions? Something that covers magma and super-heated rock is a bonus.

Thanks in advance.

[fett527]

Hmmm. Maybe you should ask Col_Pladoh.

Oh. Wait...

[jgbrowning]

I know of one product about lava rules that I think is awesome. It hasn't been properly reviewed yet by one of our esteemed EN World reviewers, but that aside, I think it should fit what you're looking for. Concise. Complete. Pretty much the final word, IMHO.

joe b.

[fett527]

Originally Posted by jgbrowning

I know of one product about lava rules that I think is awesome. It hasn't been properly reviewed yet by one of our esteemed EN World reviewers, but that aside, I think it should fit what you're looking for. Concise. Complete. Pretty much the final word, IMHO.

joe b.

i think the word you're looking for is "brevity".

[Teflon Billy]

I've read the rules Joe describes over pretty thoroughly, and I think they meet my needs really well.

Firstly: They are pretty intuitive and "common sense" which is where a lot of D&D rules assumptions kind of fail, so that's nice.

Second up: They are concise enough that they can be easily absorbed and slotted into pretty much any existing campaign without much trouble.

Finally: The brain trust involved in their creation is huge, so I'm relatively certain that they have been examined from nasically every angle before going to press.

I mean honestly. Gary Gygax, Robin Laws, Steve Kenson, Peter Adkison, Ed Greenwood, Wil Wheaton and Scott Rouse all speak highly of it...

My opinion as a EN World staff reviewer kind of pales beside this volume of praise.

[Shortman McLeod]

Originally Posted by Teflon Billy

I mean honestly. Gary Gygax, Robin Laws, Steve Kenson, Peter Adkison, Ed Greenwood, Wil Wheaton and Scott Rouse all speak highly of it...

When you mentioned Gygax Laws, Kenson, Adkinson, Greenwood, and Rouse, I still wasn't sure. I mean, legendary game designers and all, but still . . .

But when I saw that WESLEY FRICKIN' CRUSHER was onside, you sold me!

[freyar]

Don't think I've ever seen a longer section 15 in an OGL, myself. And there were quite a few playtesters. Whatever happened to brevity?

[Piratecat]

Wow! I'm adopting those lava rules for my campaign right now! They're simply perfect, and not a bit too complex.

[jaerdaph]

You can finally check your hat of d02 at the door with this one product. The fun we had implementing these rules has neither been bad nor wrong. Equal parts fluff and crunch. Nothing nerfed, nothing broken, nothing got the shaft.

[barsoomcore]

Originally Posted by freyar

Whatever happened to brevity?

Every word of this product was carefully chosen and not so much as a single punctuation mark was placed in excess of what the meaning, the sense and indeed the theme of the work required. Editors reviewed, scanned, considered, thought about, debated, even argued the placement of each and every word, phrase, grouping, sentence, paragraph and period. We who produced, edited, designed, wrote, thought of and conceived this product, work, offering (if you will), hold ourselves as servants, penitents, in fact, not to put to fine a point on it, veritable slaves of Brevity, that most stern of taskmistresses (ooh, naughty) and have bent our minds, our wills, and our thoughts to ensuring that Fire and Brimstone: A Comprehensive Guide to Lava, Magma and Superheated Rock contains no more than the bare essentials, with no excessive verbiage to be found anywhere within its contents, composition, or aggregation.

We cannot say too little on this subject.

[Tewligan]

Now, I'm not running a 3.x game - will this system work for older rulesets? I occasionally have characters that try to swim in lava, wade in super-heated rock, and sometimes even try to bathe in magma. I'd like to have these actions be as realistic as possible, but I don't have the time to convert a bunch of rules to my system of choice. Will these lava rules work for me with minimal effort?

[barsoomcore]

Originally Posted by Tewligan

Now, I'm not running a 3.x game - will this system work for older rulesets?

You're covered.

Not saying we might not release new versions that are "optimized" for other rulesets, but the Basic F&B rules will fit perfectly into any existing RPG. We guarantee it.

[babomb]

Fire and Brimstone has really solid rules for what it covers, but despite the name, it doesn't tell me what happens if I fall into magma or superheated rock (or, for that matter, fire and brimstone) rather than lava.

And the other day, my character Yakov Smirnoff had lava fall into him. The DM said I die. I complained that this technically wasn't covered in the rules and I ought to get a save, but she says that it should be applied more broadly, as evidenced by the D&D example of stepping (NOT falling) into lava. We got into a big fight and she broke up with me.

The other players were pretty upset about the whole thing.

Will these situations be clarified in the errata or a follow-up product?

[Wik]

Originally Posted by babomb

Fire and Brimstone has really solid rules for what it covers, but despite the name, it doesn't tell me what happens if I fall into magma or superheated rock (or, for that matter, fire and brimstone) rather than lava.

And the other day, my character Yakov Smirnoff had lava fall into him. The DM said I die. I complained that this technically wasn't covered in the rules and I ought to get a save, but she says that it should be applied more broadly, as evidenced by the D&D example of stepping (NOT falling) into lava. We got into a big fight and she broke up with me.

The other players were pretty upset about the whole thing.

Will these situations be clarified in the errata or a follow-up product?

No. And the writers want me to ask you to stop sending them e-mails. You're scaring their wives, man.

[Piratecat]

It looks like we'll need errata in the FAQ!