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Oh well .. still, I'm happy with the product and will continue to support your efforts... you might have even helped me in supporting other non-WotC 4E products, so thanks.
Good points, Melfast. While I agree those wouldn't be broken in and of themselves, it opens the door to other abuses, like opportunity attacks or extra attacks granted by warlord powers.
My instinct is to alter the phrasing of the power so it says any time you deal damage with an attack on your own turn. But again, that's just my first thought, and I'm willing to field other thoughts.
"The first time each round..."
Doing extra on every attack? Could be troublesome, especially once multiclassing is taken into account. (Ranger/Monk... hmm)
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Ari, I think for Demon Dance MK2, go with once per round and then allow quick strike to apply. Then its a strong daily, but not in the overpowered range in my opinion.
Okay, based on people's comments and my own thoughts, we're currently looking at this:
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Effect: Once per round, when you deal damage to an enemy with a melee attack, you also deal damage equal to your Wisdom modifier to a second target (which cannot be the same creature that triggered this power). The second target must be within 2 squares of you.
We've got the one/round limit, now, but we're also not limiting it to the character's turn (since it's just once/round, it can be on an OA or an immediate action).
I think it's still worth a daily, since you can maintain it for an entire encounter and it basically adds the cleave power to every attack you make (and it's only 1st level). But by all means, please continue to comment, if you'd like.
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Well theofficialBarbarian class is coming out in 3 days on Dragon. It will be interesting tosee how Ari Marmells version compares tothat one.
out and it's a striker.
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Of course the AMHDotEL 4E would help D&D 4E. I suppose it also has good things to say about Shadowrun 4E, right?
But let's face it - the 4th edition of American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language lacks the soul of the OAHDotEL. It's AHDotEL in name only. You just have to look at the anime cover to see that. Anyone using the OAHDoTEL 4E is not really interested in speaking or writing English, he's just looking at a list of words without any flavor or meaning.
A fact for which I'm actually grateful. It keeps the classes that much more distinct, which is what I was shooting for.
I am amused at how much we thought alike in some respects, though. Both classes have a lot of charge-related powers, powers that you can use instead of basic attacks after making such a charge, and major aspects of the class based around the notion of temporary hit points.
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Wow, Ari you must be so excited to have this out. The first full 3rd party 4e book. A huge amount of info in there by the sounds of it.
I definitley will be buying this when it hits Oz in hard format.
Congrats ad a bigger congrats getting on here immediately and ironing out the issues. Issues I am sure in no way will stop people buying the book. Kudos.
I am looking at buying this PDF after it has the errata (Mouseferatu or jgbrowning could you post here when it is available?). In the meantime, I was wondering about a comparison between the WOTC play test barbarian and this one?
I am really curious. Thanks!
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I am looking at buying this PDF after it has the errata (Mouseferatu or jgbrowning could you post here when it is available?).
For now, this is what I am doing as well. I don't have the kind of disposable income I had with 3.x, what with those pesky wife and kids (and mother-in-law) running around the (new) house.
Oh, the halcyon days of buying everything I wanted..................
Books currently in play: Dungeon & Dragon Magazine (*Age of Worms AP*), 4e Core books
Current Campaign: Age of Worms, Episode #4- "Hall of Harsh Reflections" - converted for 4e. -- Arryk, Human Cleric/Radiant Servant 12; Valkondinar, Human Wizard/Battle Mage 12; Frindo Meadmaker, Halfling Rogue/Shadow Assassin 12; Moo'Haa, Half-Elf FeyLock/Fey Touched 12; Skin'zorrn, Dragonborn Paladin/Justicar 12 -- This party rocks!
APG Savage Warrior vs WotC Barbarian? Well, the first is a Martial Defender while the second is a Primal Striker. That's the most telling difference. Rage is also handled differently in the WotC version (it's basically activated when you use a Daily power and grants different benefits).
On a slightly less important note, we now know that Primal powers are called evocations and that the PHB2 will feature goliaths.
APG Savage Warrior vs WotC Barbarian? Well, the first is a Martial Defender while the second is a Primal Striker. That's the most telling difference. Rage is also handled differently in the WotC version (it's basically activated when you use a Daily power and grants different benefits).
The Barbarian also becomes overtly supernatural at higher levels, with rages giving them elemental auras and turning them insubstantial and the like. And the Barbabrian looks more complicated to me than the Savage Warrior does. But the two classes can easily coexist.
There will be no updated PDFs, only an errata sheet.
That's really too bad. Given the amount of errors that have already been found in this product, an update might have made a purchase more enticing for me, but thanks anyway for answering my question.
That's really too bad. Given the amount of errors that have already been found in this product, an update might have made a purchase more enticing for me, but thanks anyway for answering my question.
I understand everyone has different purchasing inputs and that not everyone will be satisfied with our solution which I believe to be fairly industry standard.
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