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Old 24th October 2008, 12:39 AM   #1 (permalink)
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  1. If one judges the success of a product based upon how well it sells in the marketplace, 4E is a rampant success. As for its longevity…time, of course, will tell.
  2. You cannot simultaneously fix the flaws of 3E while maintaining the revised game’s backward compatibility. You can do one, or the other, but they are mutually exclusive.
  3. Paizo did not adopt 4E...because WotC wouldn’t let them. WotC revoked the Dungeon and Dragon licenses, and then proceeded to make a putrid mess of the GSL. Paizo had employees to pay and GenCon to attend; they "chose" PF because they had no other choice. If you believe it was for artistic differences or the love of the Great Wheel cosmology, you’re fooling yourself.
  4. People who claim a certain edition of a RPG keeps them from role-playing should learn to role-play that no game can keep them from role-playing.
  5. Eladrin are stupid.
  6. 1E is my edition of choice. For a one-shot.
  7. The version of 4E that hit the shelves was woefully incomplete. The fact this was likely done to produce evergreen revenue streams in no way excuses it.
  8. No one should have been charged a red copper for DDI until the entire suite of tools was released, including the Visualizer and the Gaming Table.
  9. There's far too much whining on these boards. This list is a case in point.
  10. Erik Mona single-handedly saved the production lives of both Dungeon and Dragon magazine, and WotC cut off their nose to spite their face when they ended their agreement with Paizo.
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Old 24th October 2008, 12:57 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Nitpick: the licenses were not revoked by WotC. The licenses expired.

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11. The 4e Dungeon Master's Guide is the best Dungeon Master's Guide EVER. Too bad its 4e.

12. 4e just doesn't feel like previous editions, and 3.0/3.5e didn't feel like the previous editions but feels better that 4e. 2e sucked.

13. But the best edition to learn D&D is OD&D--the red boxed set. If you like that set, go ahead move on to another edition.
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Old 24th October 2008, 02:04 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Nothing I can quibble with too badly. Now send it to WotC in the form of a letter composed of magazine clippings entitled "LIST O' DEMANDS" along with the severed end of Mike Mearls's pinky finger, and we'll call it golden.
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Old 24th October 2008, 02:38 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Old 24th October 2008, 06:59 AM   #7 (permalink)
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14. Everybody hated gnomes, until they weren't a core race in 4e.
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Funny. I'd have said Eladrin used to be called elves. In 4e, they made up a new race and, true to 4e fashion, took a previously used name (in this case, elf) and recycled it.

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Old 24th October 2008, 08:06 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Funny. I'd have said Eladrin used to be called elves. In 4e, they made up a new race and, true to 4e fashion, took a previously used name (in this case, elf) and recycled it.
While 4E has it's share of recycled names, (Archons, I'm looking at you!), 4Elves aren't new, they are wood/sylvan elves, a classic D&D subrace. 4Eladrins are a mishmash of high/grey elves and the planescape eladrins.
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15. You´re thinking too much about D&D and playing it too little in comparison.
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15. You´re thinking too much about D&D and playing it too little in comparison.
Absolutely true for me. One session per week is the best I can get these days, and in the past and future weeks, not even that.
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16. D&D did X because the suits at Hasbro made WotC do it.

17. D&D is so insignificant that nobody at Hasbro (or even WotC) even knows it exists.
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18. This thread and allthe replies on it are a direct attack on the way I play DnD and my favourite edition. Furthermore, it is BadWrongFun

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[*]The version of 4E that hit the shelves was woefully incomplete. The fact this was likely done to produce evergreen revenue streams in no way excuses it.
I think that you're using the term "evergreen" incorrectly. AFAIK, it refers to a product, such as a PDF, that can theoretically remain commercially viable forever, not a self-perpetuating supplement line driven by information (or lack thereof) in preceding books (a model that existed more than a decade before the terms "evergreen" or "long tail" were coined with regard to RPGs).

As for the list, I would add:
  • D&D is serious business.
  • You're taking D&D too seriously.
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I think that you're using the term "evergreen" incorrectly. AFAIK, it refers to a product, such as a PDF, that can theoretically remain commercially viable forever, not a self-perpetuating supplement line driven by information (or lack thereof) in preceding books (a model that existed more than a decade before the terms "evergreen" or "long tail" were coined with regard to RPGs).

As for the list, I would add:
  • D&D is serious business.
  • You're taking D&D too seriously.
Making those 19 and 20.

21 a) 4E is NOT a role playing game
21 b) 4E is a board game
21 c) Anything can be a role playing game, even a board game like Monopoly.
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0. OD&D(1974) is the one true game. All the other editions are just poor imitations of the real thing.
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-1. Diaglo will be in the thread (any thread) soon to tell us "OD&D(1974) is the one true game. All the other editions are just poor imitations of the real thing."
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