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Old 14th November 2008, 07:38 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Old 14th November 2008, 09:21 AM   #2 (permalink)
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More Kobolds, you can never have enough Kobolds!

So, is anyone doing a 4e conversion of Dragon mountain? Combined with the MM and the EDragon Kobold article it could be a lot of fun.

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Am I the only one dissapointed that there is no "High Sycophant Kobold" in this preview?

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I'm disappointed. I thought the dragonkin kobold would be the 4e version of the dragonwrought kobold of 3.5, wings and all.


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Old 14th November 2008, 03:31 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I really like these kobolds. I could really use non-minion kobolds that are tougher.

The concept behind them are pretty cool too.
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I quite liked them, and it's certainly a good way to start thinking about a potential Dragon Mountain Conversion. The only thing is, with the shift in expected levels vs what you're facing, it's going to be hard having a very old Red Dragon (ie Epic tier) in a mountain full of kobolds (ie Heroic Tier).

My first thought would be to make the Dragon less impressive - but then wouldn't it be more fun to have MORE impressive kobolds?

DM: OK, the kobold steps up and swings at you.
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Old 14th November 2008, 05:21 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I quite liked them, and it's certainly a good way to start thinking about a potential Dragon Mountain Conversion. The only thing is, with the shift in expected levels vs what you're facing, it's going to be hard having a very old Red Dragon (ie Epic tier) in a mountain full of kobolds (ie Heroic Tier).

My first thought would be to make the Dragon less impressive - but then wouldn't it be more fun to have MORE impressive kobolds?
How about statting up a "swarm of kobolds"?
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I liked the previewed kobolds.

One of the things I have to constantly remind myself is that books of monsters aren't books of ecologies. Not every kobold den has to have every type of kobold. That way you can make individual kobolds (and dragon masters) more interesting. You can have Kharnex, the fire breathing dragon with runes on his scales who didn't just adopt a kobold tribe as minions, he mind-wiped the strongest amongst them and turned them into shell like slaves.
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I'm disappointed. I thought the dragonkin kobold would be the 4e version of the dragonwrought kobold of 3.5, wings and all.
As a person who merrily played a dragonwraught (more accurately, a fez-wearing ancient wyrm dragonborn dragonwraught sorcerous dragonheart mage kobold of a sand dragon bloodline) I'm glad the dragonkin are not the replacement of dragonwraught simply based on the fact that I wouldn't want my lil' kobold to lose his individuality and become a slave to a dragon if I converted him to 4E.
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As a person who merrily played a dragonwraught (more accurately, a fez-wearing ancient wyrm dragonborn dragonwraught sorcerous dragonheart mage kobold of a sand dragon bloodline) I'm glad the dragonkin are not the replacement of dragonwraught simply based on the fact that I wouldn't want my lil' kobold to lose his individuality and become a slave to a dragon if I converted him to 4E.
In our Banewarrens campaign, I played a Kobold Sorcerer. Manobarox was a fan of dragons - but mostly because he believed that their races were related and that having dragons as his allies would be of great benefit to his way-too-often disregarded race...

I don't think he'd like the idea of dragonwraughts. But I don't know how he'd feel on Dragonborn...
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Old 14th November 2008, 10:35 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Since I complained about the Dracolich Mongomajig in the previous monster thread, I thought I'd pop into this one to say...

These guys look pretty good.

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I like one of the kobold powers: None shall pass!
(I imagine that kobold in the Gandalf pose )
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Old 15th November 2008, 12:29 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I love kobolds and just about everything related to kobolds, and this gets my stamp of approval. The only thing I dislike about it is that it seems to reflect even more that kobolds aren't intended to ever be a playable race
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