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I play 4E. I have a year-long subscription to D&DI, and I think it's worth it
If I liked reading PDf's, yes. It would be worth it to me, and I don't even like 4E.
However, I much prefer reading books. On paper. Especially my gaming books. So its not worth it to me at all. Even if it was an RPG I played I would not subscribe.
So even if this was being done by Troll Lords or Paizo I would not be subscribing.
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I enjoyed the free Dungeon and Dragon - I thought they were excellent. The issues were the best I've seen from the mags for years.
The compendium is nice.
I can't wait to try the character builder (It still won't install on my machine).
I paid for the 3 month to see if I felt it was worth it. So far it is. When my 3 month subscription is up in Jan, I'll sign up for a full year.
Yes, to me, it is definitely worth it.
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Then what are those people that like to min-max everything using every bit of data and ability/etc they can get their hands on called?
Good DMs?
Ha HA! But honestly, Jack's point was that (and of course we don't have empirical evidence of this) more than likely most subscribers to DDI are DMs looking for new resources and ideas, or players looking to help round out a character idea with something crunchy or fluffy.
Your statement could be equivocated to DDI Subscriber = Munchkin, which is merely an assumption on your part at best, and offensive at worst.
Ha HA! But honestly, Jack's point was that (and of course we don't have empirical evidence of this) more than likely most subscribers to DDI are DMs looking for new resources and ideas, or players looking to help round out a character idea with something crunchy or fluffy.
Your statement could be equivocated to DDI Subscriber = Munchkin, which is merely an assumption on your part at best, and offensive at worst.
No. I don't mean DMs, as I have said I don't DM 4th, and I only needed what was in the PHB to play.
Those players...you know the ones...like rules-lawyers, but they are quiet and trying to find every loophole in the rules to break the game with some crazy combination of abilities/etc.....
Ha HA! But honestly, Jack's point was that (and of course we don't have empirical evidence of this) more than likely most subscribers to DDI are DMs looking for new resources and ideas, or players looking to help round out a character idea with something crunchy or fluffy.
Your statement could be equivocated to DDI Subscriber = Munchkin, which is merely an assumption on your part at best, and offensive at worst.
Exactly. It's basic logic:
All X are Y does not imply that all Y are X.
All munchkins want to get a DDI subscription does not imply that all who want to get a DDI subscription are munchkins.
Assuming, of course, the assertion that all munchkins want to get a DDI subscription is true in the first place. A DDI subscription would be pretty much useless for the munchkins who are playing 3e, for example.
I don't think I've ever seen a post where you're happy about something. I should lurk more.
Hey, I resent that. I thought the Draconomicon preview with the purple dragon was awesome, and said so! I mean I also used the post to slag off the brown dragon's new Gourmet Chef Dragon flavor, but I'm occasionally happy about stuff!
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Originally Posted by Phaezen
So you can get the E-Dragon and E-Dungeon magazines, the compendium updated monthly with the new releases and the compendium linked chargen for free elsewhere?
And you are admitting this on a public forum?
If I wanted to, I could easily get the E-Dragon and E-Dungeon magazines for free elsewhere, yes. I am admitting this on a public forum because it's blatantly obvious that piracy exists.
(My assessment of DDI as being borderline in value to me didn't take this into account, though. $6/month for Dragon Magazine and a flash tool to create monsters is worth it on good months, but you're banking $72 on there being a lot of those.
And December already looks... ...well, I'm not sure, really. <s>Playtest</s>Preview material is always nice to find out about, but it means Dragon #370 is going to be MONUMENTALLY less useful a year from now than every issue leading up to it.)
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Originally Posted by FireLance
Assuming, of course, the assertion that all munchkins want to get a DDI subscription is true in the first place. A DDI subscription would be pretty much useless for the munchkins who are playing 3e, for example.
Honestly I'd buy that assertion - most "munchkins" do indeed want to get a DDI subscription, as long as you're talking about people who are playing 4e D&D. That people playing WoW who have never played D&D and don't ever want to don't want to pay for DDI is both hardly surprising and irrelevant.
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I bought a three-month subscription a month ago and I wish I had bought a year's subscription. If you're in a 4e D&D game, running a 4e D&D game, Or about to, an annual subscription is well worth the money, if only for the compendium and the bonus tools. The content in Dungeon and Dragon has been consistently excellent, so consider those a bonus to the subscription price.
And, with the character builder looking good and likely going full steam ahead next year, that's a great plus for any D&D game as well.
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Books currently in play: Dungeon & Dragon Magazine (*Scales of War AP*), WOTC 4e Core and Supplemental books
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The overwhelming utility of the Compendium has meant that not only am I delighted with my one year subscription I am now determined to start a 4E game. Being able to grab stat blocks from the Compendium is simply going to save me so much time, and I will use a fraction of that time creating the workarounds to make the flavour better match the game I like.
I voted for the top option without reservation. I've enjoyed almost everything that has been put out on the DDI, and the Character Builder Beta has blown me away. It came with a critical Vista64 issue out of the box, which was bad, but they fixed it in a couple of days, which was good. Support and information has been excellent across the board. Value for money is high with this one.
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I use the encounter builder for all my combat encounters now. Click click click... done!
Dragon is also awesome, love it. Dungeon, don't really read it. Monster builder is great. The Compendium is, of course, wonderful. And, I cannot wait for the character builder (drool). Don't think I forgot anything!
Love it!
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I only have a three-month currently, and I am bucking for my wife or family to buy me a year-long for christmas (or rather, give me the cash to do so ). So far, it's been worth it. The idea of multiclassing being used for things other than classes is a pretty neat one, and worth a lot of mind-share to me to develop for any 4E games we play.
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(and I don't seem to have the paper-magazine/bathroom obsession others have so pdf magazines is OK).
Laptop plus wifi
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I like it so far.
As a DM w/o a ton of time to create adventures, I love stealing encounters and other things from Dungeon.
The time it saves me in cutting and pasting from the compendium when I make up my own encounters is invaluable.
My son loves to create characters. A friend that is working on an adventure for a 3pp came over, and some others didn't show. It took us a couple of minutes to create 2nd level characters for playtesting.
I think it is easily worth $10 per month, let alone $6.
Plus, even though I don't like reading the content on line, the Dragon content has been very good to this point.
so pdf magazines is OK).
). So far, it's been worth it. The idea of multiclassing being used for things other than classes is a pretty neat one, and worth a lot of mind-share to me to develop for any 4E games we play.
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