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I'd like to see what Games Workshop would do with the D&D brand (as opposed to 4E in particular). Their rules may not be very tight, but their flavour's great and the minis would be beautiful.
Based on previous behaviour GW would build up the D&D brand until the game was really successful and selling in better numbers than ever, and then they'd stop producing it, announce it wasn't profitable enough, and sell off the rights to somebody else.
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For those of you intersted in buying the magazine but afraid your LGS will not carry it, I have this suggestion. Why not simply ask the manager, owner, seller if they will have it and that you are interested in getting it. If they see that people are interested in that product, there is more chance that they will order it.
At my FLGS, if I'm interested in something that the owner doesn't think would sell, he will usually only get 1 or 2 copies so that he doesn't get stuck with product that will gather dust on the shelves.
Seriously? I love Goodman's products, but they would not be able to carry the brand at all. They don't have the employees, infrastructure, nothing. Wizards' products are of extremely high quality. I have no idea what you are all talking about.
As for the magazine, great news! I hope it does well.
I´m really interested if they manage to push the magazine into enough sales slots. Its hard to convince retailers to "make space" for another publication, and i hope Goodman can pull it off.
This is what this topic is about. A print magazine from Goodman Games and our hopes, fears or predictions for it.
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Seriously? I love Goodman's products, but they would not be able to carry the brand at all. They don't have the employees, infrastructure, nothing. Wizards' products are of extremely high quality. I have no idea what you are all talking about.
Have you noticed the volume of 4E stuff Goodman is doing? They are full speed ahead.
As to them not being able to carry the brand - maybe not today, but don't underestimate Joe Goodman.
Level Up will provide a wide range of D&D 4th Edition content, including new monsters, character options, an adventure in every issue, and even a “Dear Archmage Abby” column.
What else would you guys like to see in that magazine?
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I was planning on buying this anyways, but its nice to see I'll get my moneys worth, and I don't even play 4E!
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I think their initial releases were a little rocky, but the later stuff has totally come up to speed. The Dragonborn book is totally solid and I played in the DDXP version of Death Dealer --- maps were suitably large enough for us to get our butts kicked.
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I think their initial releases were a little rocky, but the later stuff has totally come up to speed. The Dragonborn book is totally solid and I played in the DDXP version of Death Dealer --- maps were suitably large enough for us to get our butts kicked.
Could you tell us some more about the Death Dealer thing?
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Truxas, human feylock/bard (feytouched->feyliege)
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$2 sounds good for a 32 page issue. Like "here's 16 bucks, subscribe for the first 2 years" good*. But what's the percentage of ads? I mean, advertising is a reality of magazines, but out of 32 pages, how much will be content?
And how self contained is the content? It's Goodman's magazine so pimping one's own stuff should be expected, but paying for something that is mostly excerpts and previews of upcoming releases is a whole 'nother thing.
$2 sounds good for a 32 page issue. Like "here's 16 bucks, subscribe for the first 2 years" good*. But what's the percentage of ads? I mean, advertising is a reality of magazines, but out of 32 pages, how much will be content?
I guarantee you will get your money's worth for content...and then some. The first issue has at least 32 pages of solid content (issue one is coming in at around 48 pages total, actually).
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And how self contained is the content? It's Goodman's magazine so pimping one's own stuff should be expected, but paying for something that is mostly excerpts and previews of upcoming releases is a whole 'nother thing.
Great question. Yes, some features in the magazine will tie into Goodman products occasionally, but the goal of Level Up is to provide 4E material useful for all gamers, not just those that buy Goodman products. The vast majority of the articles will be setting neutral, and even those that do tie into Goodman products or Aereth will still be useful for any player or DM.
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Well, to put a somewhat different perspective on it, most monthly comic books from DC and Marvel are 32 pages in length (that's counting the ads as pages). DC's books currently retail at $2.99. Marvel's are moving up in price to $3.99 (though I'm not sure if that's for all their comics or just their big ones). Most comics read rather quickly, much faster than a magazine (that's not to disparage their quality; for example, I loved jonrog1's Blue Beetle work, gladly spending the money on it). $2.00 for 32 pages of gaming stuff sounds like a steal to me.
A four color art book filled with actual art and writing (which is what a comic book is) is FAR FAR FAR more expensive to do than a magazine.
Comic Books are actually somewhat underpriced for their print run.
I don't mean to be rude or anything, but are we having a debate over the relative value of a product priced at $2. Really? When was the last time there was any gaming product priced like that?
I don't know if I'll be a subscriber to the new magazine, but at $2 you can bet I'll pick up an issue or two and have a look. Perhaps I'll forgo a Red Bull for a single day to cover the costs...
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I play 4E, and it's every bit as much Dungeons and Dragons as any other edition, including the one(s) you play. No more, and no less.
I don't mean to be rude or anything, but are we having a debate over the relative value of a product priced at $2. Really? When was the last time there was any gaming product priced like that?
Dice are the only thing that come to mind. Excellent price point. I wonder if they will allow WotC to advertise in it so they can have a print magazine opportunity to reach that segment of the market?
It's only 32 pages, though--pretty scant for a magazine.
Of course, the first issue of The Dragon was also only 32 pages, and it went on to do pretty well.
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