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Old 11th February 2009, 10:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Heraldry generator?

Does anyone know of a website or application that provides tools for creating unique coats-of-arms?
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I've used this site before:

Coat of Arms Visual Designer

It's pretty cool.
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Old 12th February 2009, 04:21 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I've used this site before:

Coat of Arms Visual Designer

It's pretty cool.

Thanks for remembering the project I've been working on. The site also has some heraldry info and some instructions/how-to's for using the software, but hopefully you can get a handle on it without those.

You can also contact me here or through comments/feedback on the linked site if you have questions or issues. Thanks!
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Thanks for remembering the project I've been working on.
Thanks for working on such a cool project!
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Old 12th February 2009, 10:29 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Yes, thanks! It helps add some nice depth to our games!
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Old 12th February 2009, 11:05 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Do you know of a resource that looks like a page in a ledger/book of record in which heraldic devices would be recorded?
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Saracenus who does some great Greyhawk Heraldry here, uses clip art from here.
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Do you know of a resource that looks like a page in a ledger/book of record in which heraldic devices would be recorded?
I haven't been able to find anything along those lines to make sure we're talking about the same thing. Can you point me to a link as an example...? I'd would be happy to create a graphic that one could use to list a number of arms, but I'm not 100% sure I know what you mean.

I guess you could also just use a parchment background and place completed arms on top of that with notes on the noble/crest next to each. Is that close to what you're looking for?
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Old 15th February 2009, 01:59 PM   #9 (permalink)
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BTW, I just (finally) got the new version of the software up. This improves "counterchanging" support, which is a cool way to alternate the colors of a charge based on the colors of a division beneath the charge. See the web page for a simple example.

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Old 15th February 2009, 06:50 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Old 15th February 2009, 10:19 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I haven't been able to find anything along those lines to make sure we're talking about the same thing. Can you point me to a link as an example...? I'd would be happy to create a graphic that one could use to list a number of arms, but I'm not 100% sure I know what you mean.

I guess you could also just use a parchment background and place completed arms on top of that with notes on the noble/crest next to each. Is that close to what you're looking for?

Yes, that sounds very close to what I was wondering about. I know heraldry was recorded, I imagine there was something of a standard as to how it was recorded, at least within one given book of recorded heraldry.
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indyjoe: your site requested I sign a java certificate. I rejected it at the time, but now I can't save any of the images. Don't suppose you'd know how to go about changing a certificate permission?
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indyjoe: your site requested I sign a java certificate. I rejected it at the time, but now I can't save any of the images. Don't suppose you'd know how to go about changing a certificate permission?
Java is done by Sun Microsystems. I trust them far more than I trust any other major software company, and I ran a virus scan yesterday, a number of days after I "signed" the certificate, no problems related to Java, just the usual junk.
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indyjoe: your site requested I sign a java certificate. I rejected it at the time, but now I can't save any of the images. Don't suppose you'd know how to go about changing a certificate permission?
I actually don't know how to do that. I've asked on a Java message board and I'll let you know the answer when I see it.

Treebore's explanation is almost right, but let me clarify.
The certificate is needed because Java won't let an applet save a file or do some other things (like load graphics from another web site, which the coat of arms program does for the symbols and creatures) unless the program is signed.

The prompt occurs because I signed the program with my own certificate. A real certificate should be signed by a trusted 3rd party. Your browser and/or Java has a list of these third parties and I would go to one of them, pay a fee and they would confirm I am who I say I am and give me a certificate signed by them. Then I could sign my program with the certificate from the third party and your browser wouldn't prompt you because I'm saying I am X, the third party we both trust says I'm X.

This is designed to prevent a criminal type from saying download and run this program because "I" am Microsoft (or whoever) even though "I" is somebody who has a program to do bad things.

Working with a trusted certificate authority is something I should do, but I haven't been able to justify it yet. Also, some experts see flaws in this practice, mostly from a "social engineering" perspective.
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I actually don't know how to do that. I've asked on a Java message board and I'll let you know the answer when I see it.

Treebore's explanation is almost right, but let me clarify.
The certificate is needed because Java won't let an applet save a file or do some other things (like load graphics from another web site, which the coat of arms program does for the symbols and creatures) unless the program is signed.

The prompt occurs because I signed the program with my own certificate. A real certificate should be signed by a trusted 3rd party. Your browser and/or Java has a list of these third parties and I would go to one of them, pay a fee and they would confirm I am who I say I am and give me a certificate signed by them. Then I could sign my program with the certificate from the third party and your browser wouldn't prompt you because I'm saying I am X, the third party we both trust says I'm X.

This is designed to prevent a criminal type from saying download and run this program because "I" am Microsoft (or whoever) even though "I" is somebody who has a program to do bad things.

Working with a trusted certificate authority is something I should do, but I haven't been able to justify it yet. Also, some experts see flaws in this practice, mostly from a "social engineering" perspective.
I had totally forgotten the purposes of certificates, I was just saying allowing it didn't cause me to have any virus, at least not one that my up to date Anti Virus program was able to catch.
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Old 16th February 2009, 10:28 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Thanks for speaking up and reassuring anyone who may be interested.
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Oh, it's not that I have a problem signing it, the problem is that my automatic reaction was not to sign it 'cause I was browsing multiple sites at the time and didn't realise which one popped up the certificate.

Now that I rejected it, I can't find a way to unreject it.
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Oh, it's not that I have a problem signing it, the problem is that my automatic reaction was not to sign it 'cause I was browsing multiple sites at the time and didn't realise which one popped up the certificate.

Now that I rejected it, I can't find a way to unreject it.
This is the best advice I got when I asked in a Java discussion area:
1. Go back to the Coat of Arms Visual Designer's web page with the program in it.
2. Open the Java Console. (Look for "Java Console" on your "Tools" menu.) Click in the Java Console and press "x". That should clear the loaded classes.
3. Restart your browser and go back to the page with the program in it. Hope that it prompts you about the certificate again.

Other ideas:
Clear your browser's cache.
If you have multiple browsers on your computer, try a different browser for this in the short term. When I put up the next version of the software I'll change the certificate a little and that should cause Java to re-prompt you.

Let me know how this worked...
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Old 17th February 2009, 09:30 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I just got a better response to my question on the Java discussion area, so I'll post it now:
If Windows (XP) go to: Control Panel --> Java -->
Security --> Certificate --> Certificate Type: Trusted Certificates

If Mac (OS X)go to: Utilities --> Keychain Access

In Mac they can modify permissions for your cert, in both they can
delete it which will cause the dialog to pop up on init.
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Thanks for the replies.

Unfortunately, none worked.

Safari doesn't seem to have a 'tools' menu of any type that I can access a Java console from and there was no certificate in my Keychain access.

I can wait til you update though
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