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1. I'm over it. Really.
2. Your edition is not better than my edition.
3. I don't need to be reminded that you hate 4e every single day.
4. Diaglo.
5. Edition is irrelevant.
6. I like 4e no matter what you say.
7. Gnomes suck.
8. I like video games.
9. D&D is what I say it is.
10. Mike Mearls told me to.
1. I'm over it. Really.
2. Your edition is not better than my edition.
3. I don't need to be reminded that you hate 4e every single day.
4. Diaglo.
5. Edition is irrelevant.
6. I like 4e no matter what you say.
7. Gnomes suck.
8. I like video games.
9. D&D is what I say it is.
10. Mike Mearls told me to.
"You must spread some Experience Points around before giving it to Kzach again."
Originally Posted by edhel I, for one, welcome our new petunia overlords.
Originally Posted by Malum It was a war of attrition. The players had a set amount of hit points vs. the FB who had unlimited hit points.
Originally Posted by K Anything with 'Elven' in the name does more damage.
Originally Posted by Nifft I have great respect for "realism" in its natural habitat ("reality"), but I find it out of place in D&D, and on this board in particular.
Maybe — but this is only a satricial parody posted in response to the "10 reasons AD&D is more fun than all other editions of D&D!" thread already in existence.
Edition (or game system for that matter) is not irrelevant... but getting bent out of shape about what other people like or dislike is utterly absurd.
I don't like seafood. At all. Sometimes, the smell of seafood makes me a bit queasy. Should I be upset at the billions of people who like seafood? Should someone be mad at me because I don't like seafood?
An absurd example, to be sure... and yet that's what basically happens with edition wars (or game system wars, or Operating System wars, etc...).
An absurd example, to be sure... and yet that's what basically happens with edition wars (or game system wars, or Operating System wars, etc...).
Not really. . . with edition wars, you typically have a small group of people who come to a forum that is ostensibly dedicated to an edition of X game that they hate, then post about the superiority of their preferred edition ad nauseum.
To use your example, it would be as if all of those people who like seafood kicked in the front door to your house, burst in, and screamed at you about the obvious superiority of seafood until they were blue in the face.
"You don't agree that shellfish is the superior food? Well, you're a moron!"
Not really. . . with edition wars, you typically have a small group of people who come to a forum that is ostensibly dedicated to an edition of X game that they hate, then post about the superiority of their preferred edition ad nauseum.
Which is why its a good thing that both the AD&D thread and this one are in the general section of EN World where such opinions are welcome. Course in my world RMSS tops them all, so it really doesn't matter what D&D edition you like best.
As for the list ...
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5. Edition is irrelevant.
... is my favorite. Ultimately its not the edition that matters. What matters is that something gets you interested enough to gather around with some friends and have a blast pwning some mobs and taking their stuff.
But then again, Mearls's mastery of mind control is impressive.
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Which is why its a good thing that both the AD&D thread and this one are in the general section of EN World where such opinions are welcome.
Opinions are always welcome though, on the flip side of that coin, I'm pretty certain that deliberate trolling (which is what attempts to incite 'edition wars' by making pronunciations of superiority/inferiority amount to) have always been frowned upon.
Not really. . . with edition wars, you typically have a small group of people who come to a forum that is ostensibly dedicated to an edition of X game that they hate, then post about the superiority of their preferred edition ad nauseum.
I think you're making a few presumptions that aren't accurate. 1) EN World is a "4E" forum. 2) Extolling the virtues of any given edition is automatically an attack on another edition and/or the fans of that edition. 3) Preference of one edition = "hate" of another edition. 4) The sole intent of discussing any given edition is to inspire an edition war.
All of these are false.
What might be more interesting and more conducive to an engaging and lively discussion than a snarky, thinly veiled attack like the OP would be a "Top Ten Reasons Why [x]E is More Fun."
__________________ Reynard
-------- Reynard's Foxhole - My ENWorld Blog
Updated 03-24-09: Alvoran -- Island of a Thousand Kings
1. I'm over it. Really.
2. Your edition is not better than my edition.
3. I don't need to be reminded that you hate 4e every single day.
4. Diaglo.
5. Edition is irrelevant.
6. I like 4e no matter what you say.
7. Gnomes suck.
8. I like video games.
9. D&D is what I say it is.
10. Mike Mearls told me to.
all your edition are belong to us...
__________________ Marshall
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Frankly, I don't want to hear about how any edition is more fun than any other edition. 4th Edition is the most fun for me. Most posts talking about the "fun levels" of any edition are mostly there to have their opinions validated. Yesterday, I saw posts talking about what was going on in someone's game, what kind of travel bags are the best... these are the kinds of posts I like seeing. Posts about gamers and how they game. There's almost always a thread up about how to "Improve 4th Edition", or "If you had to rewrite 4th Edition" or "If you could make a 5th Edition".
Why!?
People in these forums have picked their editions. Clearly. If someone has not, and is having trouble, that kind of person will occasionally post. God bless 'em. We talk it over, they go buy books, it's sorted. Let's just... stop it. It's rediculous. I was involved for a while, even. I'd report for duty, fan the flames, and throw 'em around myself. But you know what?
It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter at all. There is no better edition. And if anyone has a reason why there is a better edition, don't bother letting me know. Ignore it. Just let me be wrong from afar. Laugh at me in your livingroom.
I don't like seafood. At all. Sometimes, the smell of seafood makes me a bit queasy. Should I be upset at the billions of people who like seafood? Should someone be mad at me because I don't like seafood?
But isn't it logical for people who like seafood to complain when all their favorite restaurants stop serving ANY seafood and instead change their menu to all pasta? Even if you liked spagetti wouldn't you be inclined to post about how much pasta sucks in favor of shrimp and salmon? Wouldn't you wax poetic about how great the crabcakes used to be and how spinach lasagna is so bad they have to force-feed it to people?
Duane - who stopped eating at restaurants even before the latest menu change and now has to make his own tuna casserole at home - Ooi
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I think you're making a few presumptions that aren't accurate. 1) EN World is a "4E" forum. 2) Extolling the virtues of any given edition is automatically an attack on another edition and/or the fans of that edition. 3) Preference of one edition = "hate" of another edition. 4) The sole intent of discussing any given edition is to inspire an edition war.
All of these are false.
What might be more interesting and more conducive to an engaging and lively discussion than a snarky, thinly veiled attack like the OP would be a "Top Ten Reasons Why [x]E is More Fun."
Yes, they are false. I agree. Unfortunately, the OP seems to be seeking out negative attention with:
3. I don't need to be reminded that you hate 4e every single day.
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It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter at all. There is no better edition. And if anyone has a reason why there is a better edition, don't bother letting me know. Ignore it. Just let me be wrong from afar. Laugh at me in your livingroom.
Because we don't need it.
No one is laughing at you. No one is saying you're wrong. You're presuming malice where there is none.
As to your question of "why?", the answer is relatively simple: it's a discussion forum, dedicated to D&D. Talking about D&D is why we are here. Sometimes, that's talking about the best tote bag. Sometimes, its mulling over rules. Sometimes its discussing our actual play. And yes, sometimes its looking at the various editions of the game and finding out why some prefer one edition over the other.
__________________ Reynard
-------- Reynard's Foxhole - My ENWorld Blog
Updated 03-24-09: Alvoran -- Island of a Thousand Kings
I think you're making a few presumptions that aren't accurate.
Really?
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1) EN World is a "4E" forum.
I've never made this assumption (in fact, I was raked over the coals at CM for suggesting that ENWorld was more a "general RPG discussion" forum these days). That said, ENWorld was a dedicated 3x forum for about seven years when many people were busy attacking that edition of D&D as inferior to AD&D.
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2) Extolling the virtues of any given edition is automatically an attack on another edition and/or the fans of that edition.
I've never made this assumption, either. Rather, I was referring to posts that promote AD&D as "better than" or "more fun than" all other editions of D&D. Extolling the virtues of one game system at the expense of all others absolutely is an attack. Some people are incapable of extolling the virtues of AD&D without taking a cheap shot at other editions.
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3) Preference of one edition = "hate" of another edition.
Again, this is not an assumption that I've made. Denigrating other editions as somehow inferior or less fun than your preferred edition absolutely is indicative of hate. This is not the same thing as merely having a preference for older edtions of a game.
Having a preference for a particular game does not require one to treat other games or editions thereof as inferior. Shockingly, perhaps, there are many people who prefer older edtions of games but manage to refrain from starting threads that deliberately denigrate other editions.
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4) The sole intent of discussing any given edition is to inspire an edition war.
Yet another assumption I have not made. Discussing other editions is great. Calling other editions inferior or suggesting that they're less fun is not discussion, it's a deliberate attempt to insult others and provoke a heated response. It's more commonly known as "trolling" online.
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What might be more interesting and more conducive to an engaging and lively discussion than a snarky, thinly veiled attack like the OP would be a "Top Ten Reasons Why [x]E is More Fun."
You mean like starting a snarky, thinly veiled, attack about how AD&D is more fun than/superior to all other editons of D&D?
No one is laughing at you. No one is saying you're wrong. You're presuming malice where there is none.
I suppose. And in many cases there is not. But it's an extremely personal issue, that often (when discussed) becomes personal. Not only that, but it's a conversation that has been hashed out constantly. And people have obviously expressed it's not a conversation they're interested in having. Sure, there might be less overt flaming than there once was, but at this point, it seems to be a minority of the community saying "We want to have this conversation" over and over again.
You're absolutely right. These things should be discussed, and this is a perfect place to do it. And I myself apologize. But when this tenor of discussion keeps arriving in the forums ad nauseum, emotions are going to flare up.
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Yes, they are false. I agree. Unfortunately, the OP seems to be seeking out negative attention with:
3. I don't need to be reminded that you hate 4e every single day.
Probably because he feels like the constant influx of aforementioned threads feels passive aggressive. And I kinda feel the same way. Please note, the thread he is parodying is called:
"Top Ten Reasons AD&D Is More Fun"
Sure. It's not a huge deal. Whatever. But you don't see that as a dig at all? And yes, it's a forum for conversation on these kinds of subjects, and sure, he's not aggressively going after 4th Edition. He actually makes alot of great points. But... just... you don't see it? Really?
But you don't see that as a dig at all? And yes, it's a forum for conversation on these kinds of subjects, and sure, he's not aggressively going after 4th Edition. He actually makes alot of great points. But... just... you don't see it? Really?
Psst. . . Reynard is the guy who started that thread He doesn't see it as an attack because he posted it, which it pretty much par for course. He posts almost nothing but passive/aggressive digs at newer editions of D&D and sees nothing wrong with it because, as he so often reminds us, those edtions of D&D are inferior.
And yes, sometimes its looking at the various editions of the game and finding out why some prefer one edition over the other.
And starting out with "Why my edition is more fun than yours" is a useful way to start such dialogue? Especially on a forum that reels from one edition war to the next?
I think your post makes for an excellent blog post, but I wish on this forum it would be locked immediately, as it does nothing but preach to the choir and increases the resentment between the fractions.
" E.G.G.
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