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However, also not as cordial as "We've noticed you have copyrighted material on your website. Can you please remove it?". Without the added "or we'll sue you!".
did you see a copy of a letter that said eaither????
maybe it said one. or the other...or maybe somewhere inbetween
I knw a company I use to work for use to have a form letter for C&D that included:
please remove X, we would like to resolve this just between us, and in a mutal way
with no menton of sueing...bbut the next step was to sue anyway...
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However, also not as cordial as "We've noticed you have copyrighted material on your website. Can you please remove it?". Without the added "or we'll sue you!".
But without mentioning the possible actions wotc might take if the site were still up, isn't the letter pretty pointless? Was the site owner unclear on the whole copyright thing?
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ok I am going to try this anology thing again (I have 2 strikes so far)...
Nah, no strikes (just a couple of foul balls - just teasing).
I understand your analogy. I just don't think that most people outside of the legal or business world, see formal legal letters implying future legal action as "friendly". (I know I wouldn't.) However, those in business and the legal profession may see things differently.
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Wouldn't the friendly letter also threaten legal action? I would assume it lists why they want the site taken down and if not what they will do next.
Yes, but in a silent implication. I know that sounds silly, but to people outside of the business and legal world, it makes a big difference (at least it would to me).
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Nah, no strikes (just a couple of foul balls - just teasing).
the funny part is I am a salesman that prides myself on getting my point across...and it works well in person...only ok in letters and alm ost not at all on boards...I don't know what type of mental block it is..
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I just don't think that most people outside of the legal or business world, see formal legal letters implying future legal action as "friendly". (I know I wouldn't.) However, those in business and the legal profession may see things differently.
I guess becuse I have been in the postion to work hand in hand with legal for a couple of companies in the past my view is ...lets say odd
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Those of you who fretted that monsters have too many hp and fights take too long: meet the barbarian. The ULTIMATE "Lets speed this combat up, I need to whiz" class!
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I also feel that a company that forgets it's bottom line and focuses on pleasing over damanding cutomers will soon find they are not makeing enough money...
Too true. I guess people are watching to see how balanced WoTC is going to be in this regard.
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I have found that the law is usually less about what is legal, and more about those with power doing what they like through the law against those without power.
The only thing we have regarding sales are some relative numbers for the original core trio of books regarding initial print runs. There has been a deafening silence on sales of books released after that point.
You say this as if there is some sort of conspiracy of silence at WotC to conceal the position and yet I dont recall seeing them publish sale figures at any point in their history.
In fact, I dont recall seeing TSR publish such information nor any other company in the industry.
Its hard to call that a deafening silence, more like business as usual.
I can appreciate some of the arguments people have raised for why the OGL fell out of favor at WotC. I fail to see how the OGL was a bad thing for customers or how the restricting GSL is a blessing for RPG customers.
I am a customer and I feel that the OGL was a bad thing for me as a customer due to the value I lost on non D20 systems.
But even if I disagree with you on this I want to praise you on your excellent analysis about market behaviors in your post http://www.enworld.org/forum/4675181-post96.html
I fail to see how the OGL was a bad thing for customers
While there has certainly been some excellent material produced under the OGL my impression is that it was outweighed by large quantities of low quality, poorly written rubbish which glutted the market. It made picking out the useful from the dross pretty damn difficult.
lWhen that happened I realized if D&D went down the next big company was (and still is ) White Wolf, and I can not see them filling TSRs shoes (not then not now)...
Paizo is even smaller than White Wolf and it seems it is doing just fine.
While there has certainly been some excellent material produced under the OGL my impression is that it was outweighed by large quantities of low quality, poorly written rubbish which glutted the market. It made picking out the useful from the dross pretty damn difficult.
see that was the big bad side of OGL...dozens of books that looked compattable that were not...ones that were broken, or just didn't fit...
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Paizo is even smaller than White Wolf and it seems it is doing just fine.
please tell me that is a joke...I would rather D&D die then let piazo hold the reigns...
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It should be given special award to Die Vecna, Die: a module that manages to trash no less than THREE different settings (Greyhawk, Ravenloft, Planescape) in the course of one module.
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Those of you who fretted that monsters have too many hp and fights take too long: meet the barbarian. The ULTIMATE "Lets speed this combat up, I need to whiz" class!
The only thing we have regarding sales are some relative numbers for the original core trio of books regarding initial print runs. There has been a deafening silence on sales of books released after that point.
We're all going to read into that void as we see fit, and without numbers that neither of us have access to, neither my skepticism nor others fanboyism is going to bend much. I swear, some folks seem to take personal offense at the very suggestion that the 4e might not be the most financially successful edition of all time by any metric possible.
And some people seem to take offense at the fact that 4e might not be a huge failure. If you read my post, you will see I didn't claim them to be hard numbers. I merely pointed out that they were at least as good, and probably better than the "evidence" of a splintering mentioned by Carmachu.
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The genius part was letting the site operate for as long as it did. Why pay for market research when fans will do it for nothing? The site proved that there is a demand for such cards now WOTC can sell them.
Such "genius" would backfire pretty impressively if the shut-down resource could prove that WotC was aware of its activities and permitted them.
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