About Reveille

[Wik]

Originally Posted by Umbran

His detailed private medical information is not for discussion here.



We can neither confirm nor deny her existence. Nor, ultimately, is his love life our business.



We have said before, and I reiterate, that though we understand the curiosity, the details of the discovery will not be discussed by the staff.

Those interested in his details may communicate with him directly.

Well, you're no fun.

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that being said, I totally agree with you. One thing I will say, regarding Fru's grandparents... it is statistically more likely for long-term couples to die very close to one another. They're older, and the death and stress puts a strain on the heart, or something like that. So, I'll believe it - it doesn't hurt me not to.

[doctorhook]

Originally Posted by Umbran

His detailed private medical information is not for discussion here.

We can neither confirm nor deny her existence. Nor, ultimately, is his love life our business.

We have said before, and I reiterate, that though we understand the curiosity, the details of the discovery will not be discussed by the staff.

Those interested in his details may communicate with him directly.

Well, I suppose that's pretty unequivocal. To put it in other words, "Respectfully, none of your business, Doc." I'm still curious, but can understand that his private life isn't open for discussion, regardless of circumstances.

This has been hella weird.

[Filcher]

Lame.

The one commodity we have to exchange is trust. Having abused that, it seems only appropriate that one loses access to the community.

The sad part is that, in his gambit for attention, Rev lost the respect/camaraderie he had earned from engaging with the rest of us.

Stupid waste of our time, and his.

[EATherrian]

Originally Posted by Relique du Madde

It's an off topic forum thread. It's basically a long discussion about what ever pops into any of the poster's minds (while trying to stay within the Grandma rules, which we do a horrible job at doing). Keyword Hivemind or Hive.

Ah, thanks for the information. I was lost there for a bit.

[Relique du Madde]

Originally Posted by EATherrian

Ah, thanks for the information. I was lost there for a bit.

Don't mention it. Hell I often get lost there (especially when the thread jumps 100+ posts in the span on 3 hours).

[Roman]

Originally Posted by Umbran

Yes, we did. However, we will not engage in a "telephone game" here, especially when we clearly disagree on whether it was appropriate.

I only got to this point of the thread as of now, so perhaps this has been answered already, but let me just ask this:

I understand that you won't engage in a 'telephone game', but I am actually rather worried about Reveille. Doing something like this may indicate a desperate cry for attention and perhaps even end in suicide if the attention is not received or if the hoax is exposed. Please, please can you at least indicate that this is not the case in this situation to put my mind at ease? Thank you for your understanding.

[Relique du Madde]

Originally Posted by Roman

I only got to this point of the thread as of now, so perhaps this has been answered already, but let me just ask this:

I understand that you won't engage in a 'telephone game', but I am actually rather worried about Reveille. Doing something like this may indicate a desperate cry for attention and perhaps even end in suicide if the attention is not received or if the hoax is exposed. Please, please can you at least indicate that this is not the case in this situation to put my mind at ease? Thank you for your understanding.

Now that I'm out of those blasted "stages of Grief", I was actually going to try to contact him myself. Especially since this after noon I mentally went over all the posts in the Hive threads and realized that I missed a lot of warning signs and little bits of info that I should have approached but decided not to.

[Roman]

Originally Posted by Umbran

I can assure you, the admin and moderating staff will be having some discussions about this, and we'll review our policies and consider viable technological aids to help prevent this sort of thing happening in the future.

We are not, however, going to do that as a knee-jerk reaction. We are not going to take action out of fear or anger or frustration. We're going to take our time about it, and make sure that we are considering consequences carefully.

I am not sure whether my opinion on this makes any difference or not, but I would strongly urge you to do nothing about this. Sure, find his IP and ban it permanently, but no new policy can realistically protect the community. The only thing you can achieve is to inconvenience normal posters, but whoever is so dedicated to deception will still be able to deceive. Even if you do something drastic like one account per IP (the alts can just be created in an internet cafe) - basically new restrictions will only inconvenience legitimate posters, while not solving the problem.

[Roman]

Originally Posted by Relique du Madde

Now that I'm out of those blasted "stages of Grief", I was actually going to try to contact him myself. Especially since this after noon I mentally went over all the posts in the Hive threads and realized that I missed a lot of warning signs and little bits of info that I should have approached but decided not to.

Having now read the entire thread, I am no longer so concerned about his possible suicidal feelings. It is now clear that this was not some isolated grab at attention, but it fits a pattern of activity with his alternate accounts in the Hive and deception there.

[pogre]

I came to this forum to check on posts about Rev...

I had not seen the "gods" post, but I was taken in by the earlier stuff.

I'll be honest, I can be taken again. I'll continue to take people at face value to the best of my ability.

[Dracorat]

This only proves the one universal truth.

You never really know who people are, even when you think you do. Anyone is capable of anything under the right/wrong circumstances.

I will end with this:

I hope that the user Rev grows from the experience.

[S'mon]

Originally Posted by Dracorat

Anyone is capable of anything under the right/wrong circumstances.[/b]

Untrue - and it's a dangerous assumption that because you personally are capable of X, so is everyone else.

OTOH, it is very hard to be sure what any other person is or is not capable of.

[Herremann the Wise]

Originally Posted by Teflon Billy

Ok, sorry to keep doing this to you, but do you want to elaborate on that?

Please, do not be sorry.

I think Rev's actions and the consequences from them will provide plenty of punishment for him - with or without the ban. Banning him to give people time to handle the issue is sensible. A permanent ban... perhaps since it seems that this was not an isolated incident... I don't know. It's a tough decision and one that I think the moderators have universal respect from the board for making. I'm still concerned that there might be further issues with Rev as I mentioned previously which is why I prefer the concept of rehabilitation over punishment. I suppose his email is available for those that wish to send him their support.

Originally Posted by Teflon Billy

If you don't want to see punishment, then how are you not "letting it Slide"?

Letting it slide to me means not dealing with the situation and its manyfold repercussions. Not wanting to see punishment does not necessarily mean letting it slide. Alternatively, wanting to see punishment does not necessarily mean dealing with the issues. If one wished to see Rev banned so that one didn't have to have anything further to do with the guy, effectively banishing him, then is that necessarily dealing with what he did, and how one reacted to it? Different, but I think somewhat equal to "letting it slide". If Rev was invited back to the boards at some time in the future, such a person will find that a lot of the disappointment at being emotionally played with will still be there. Possibly even some sort of revenge or attack will most probably seem inevitable, even if it's just ignoring him. Obviously, I don't see such a path as ideal; too much unhappy baggage to carry around that may affect one's compassion if a similar (but truthful) situation arose on the boards.

By forgiving him, I have thought about what he did and how it affected not only me but also the community here. I've thought that continuing the cycle and rejecting him is unsuitable for me, particularly if he's in a dark spot at the moment. Accepting that I and others have been wronged but realizing I would do the same over again and gladly is important for me. Rather than seeing how I and others were "suckered" in as a weakness or fault, I see it as a sign of the strength and compassion of this community. A sign that being a very small part of EN World is actually a very important part of my life (be that silly or not). If Rev came back, I would be able to respond to his posts with a clean slate, without rancor or any need to relive the incident. While I wouldn't forget what happened I also wouldn't hold it against him anymore. To me that is personally dealing with the situation and not letting it slide. Please let me say as well that this is obviously not something I want to force on anyone else - it's just what works best for me. Everyone's entitled to deal with it in what ever way they choose, and so should it be.

Perhaps as well though, it is worth mentioning that it is easier for me to forgive for while I responded to his posts and he was a well known identity to me (as Fru too), I obviously have not had the closeness of contact as others here. I feel for what those who were closer to him are having to deal with. All in all, it was a severly ill-considered thing for Rev to do; his motives at this stage unknown and I suppose it will remain that way. Anyway peace be with you all.

Best Regards once again,

Herremann the Wise

[megamania]

Whatever the Mods suggest / do I will support.


Its sad however, In my mind, when Rev "fell" into a coma he did "Die" and will not return.

[tenkar]

I can understand why the mods do not want to divulge Rev's personal history. I also can understand why many, if not most, of the posters want more info to be able to understand HOW and WHY this community got played as well as it did. IMHO, Rev gave up all expectations of privacy when he started down this slippery slope of deception and deceit based upon a fictitious turn of events in his life that he proceeded to share as fact. Still, I respect the ENWorld staff for keeping such information private.

As for the forgive and forget, you can forgive and still punish. They are not mutually exclusive. Here and now he is a poison on these boards due to his actions and manipulations of the emotions of this community. I can forgive him as a person yet still be of the opinion that he should never be allowed to post on these boards again.