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View Poll Results: Which PHB2 classes do you not like?
All classes rock, what on earth are you talking about? 65 35.91%
I find the Avenger boring – I mean, who wants to hit all the time? 20 11.05%
Barbarian? Pfft, who cares about being a hard-hitter that can’t die? 19 10.50%
Bard?!? Seriously, I want to be useless in combat… 19 10.50%
Druid – If I can’t be the best at everything, why should I play a tree-hugger? 14 7.73%
Invoker? What’s that, like a divine wizard with no cantrips? 42 23.20%
Shaman – Did one of the designers play EQ? 47 25.97%
Sorcerer – Didn’t we already have the warlock as arcane striker? 22 12.15%
Warden – I do not even know what that is… 34 18.78%
I hate them all 8 4.42%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 181. This poll is closed

 
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Old 17th March 2009, 06:43 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Y'know, the more I look at Sorcerer, the more I like it - especially the wild magic. I like unpredictability in a game, though. Case in point, last night, when my wizard accidentally scored a crit on an ally with his "shock orb", I apologized profusely... but secretly, I was giddy with glee.

So, crazy wild magic sorcerer = pure awesome.

Bard, however, is my #1 interest. I didn't think it would be, until I played the preview bard last week. I LOVE the domination ability... it reminds me of my favourite class of all-time, the Spellthief. The bard essentially deprives an enemy of an action (plus), grants all allies combat advantage against that enemy (plus), and makes that enemy attack another enemy... twice (plus).

Using your enemies' resources against them is pretty much the coolest thing in the world. Except for maybe hot sauce-flavoured ice cream (patent pending).

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Now, those are the classes that are awesome. Classes I don't like?

Avenger: The name is the first strike against it. I imagine a guy with a red, white, and blue shield with parent issues. Seriously, though, it just seems like a boring class... hitting and hitting and hitting... blech. Maybe once I see some powers, I'll change my mind, but the basic outline right now just isn't doing it for me.

Invoker: A divine controller is kind of cool, but I don't really like the powers this guy has (or what I've seen of them so far, in the CB). On the plus side, it is at least a different type of controller than the "let's use burst attacks" one we've seen elsewhere. Also, I'm not big on the basic theme of this character class.

Warden: Boo. A tough warrior defender that... gets plants and whatnot to protect him. Sounds lame... especially when the PCs are in the dungeon, surrounded by Lava, and the Warden uses this power to summon tree roots. That's a "WTF" moment. And then, next session, when there's an aerial chase scene, hundreds of feet in the air, and the warden... summons tree roots.

I realize you can reflavour things as, like, lava or winds, but it just don't seem right to me. It seems to invite all manner of silliness. Plus, I keep thinking of that really gross tree-roots scene in Evil Dead. And that just ain't right.
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Old 17th March 2009, 03:58 PM   #42 (permalink)
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I guess people do not like the shaman. I get why. But as an ex-EQ player, I cant wait to roll one up and try it out.
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Old 17th March 2009, 11:27 PM   #43 (permalink)
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I guess people do not like the shaman. I get why.
Really? I don't. I understand why I'm not terribly fussed about the Barbarian & Druid - they're essentially just 4e rehashes of classes that don't particularly interest me in 3e.

But I don't get why I'm not interested at all in the Shaman... for some reason when I'm leafing through my copy of the PHB2 I find myself almost subconsciously leafing past the Shaman section! Maybe it's the whole pet/spirit thing and the implementation of that that leaves me a bit cold. I think I'd be a lot happier with a witch doctor/medicine man type class...
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Interesting! The two classes I voted for are leading the poll.

Note that I'm only judging the classes based on what little was previewed about them. I neither have the PHB2 nor do I have a DDI account. So, my opinion will probably change once I see the complete picture.

I really like what I've seen on the avenger so far. I generally tend to dislike divine classes but the avenger's concept appeals to me. It's the class I'm looking forward to the most.

I didn't really 'get' what concept the invoker is supposed to represent. I think it is too apparent they started from the power-role combination instead of a popular archetype. It seems the class exists mainly because they struggled to think of additional classes with the controller role.

I'm also not fond of what I've seen of the shaman class. It seems to have a slightly video-gamey feel to it. The spirits are represented in a too abstract fashion for my taste. They don't feel like (magical) beings at all.
They don't compare well with shamans in other rpgs, like say Runequest.
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Old 18th March 2009, 02:33 AM   #45 (permalink)
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I voted Shaman. I never liked the concept in any edition. I remember the Shaman rules they put out for AD&D, it didn't appeal to me. Not a big shaman guy.
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