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View Poll Results: Which PHB2 classes do you not like?
All classes rock, what on earth are you talking about?
65
35.91%
I find the Avenger boring – I mean, who wants to hit all the time?
20
11.05%
Barbarian? Pfft, who cares about being a hard-hitter that can’t die?
19
10.50%
Bard?!? Seriously, I want to be useless in combat…
19
10.50%
Druid – If I can’t be the best at everything, why should I play a tree-hugger?
14
7.73%
Invoker? What’s that, like a divine wizard with no cantrips?
42
23.20%
Shaman – Did one of the designers play EQ?
47
25.97%
Sorcerer – Didn’t we already have the warlock as arcane striker?
22
12.15%
Warden – I do not even know what that is…
34
18.78%
I hate them all
8
4.42%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 181. This poll is closed
This poll is meant for those who actually play 4e. Funnily enough, it has little interest if a Warden doesn't appeal to someone who plays OD&D
Having had the PHB2 for some days, I have become quite enamored with the new classes. I have been playing two of them for a while (Druid, Barbarian) but as it turns out, I want to play all of them. This also happened to me with the PHB1, which is a problem, considering I only get to be a player around 5-10% of my overall playtime. One the other hand, it is probably also a sign that 4e is the edition for me - in every previous edition, there was at most a couple or perhaps three classes I really wanted to play.
Anyway, am I all alone in my fanboi-ism, or are some of you also drooling to try out multiple classes from the PHB2?
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While I don't hate any of the classes, I put Invoker and Barbarian. Simply because well I don't have any real urge to play them right now compared to the other PHB2 classes. I can see myself multi-classing into them (especially Barbarian).
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I really could have done with out the commentary in the poll answers.
Sorry if I offended you. That was definitely not the intention. I am a huge fan, so it was merely an ironic angle (loosely based on things that have been said about the classes) in order to spice up the poll.
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Gnoguh, human fighter/cleric (kensei->adamantine soldier)
Carric, elf cleric/ranger (radiant servant->saint)
Torn, tiefling wizard/cleric (divine oracle->sages of ages)
Truxas, human feylock/bard (feytouched->feyliege)
Tagron, human rogue (daggermaster->deadly trickster) 21th level Musings of an Epic Virgin
I put Warden, although I'll fess up that I'll know more when I have the book tomorrow and actually read them.
But from the preview information (DDI and last week's reviews), Warden is drawing me in the least, but maybe that's just because the concept isn't quite forming clearly in my mind yet. On the flip side, however, I can't wait to dig more into the sorcerer, and the invoker and avengers both look to be fun at least from the conceptual side of things.
Lastly, I appreciated the extra commentary in the poll. Of course, my general opinion is that internet polls are supposed to be fun.
The only class I'm not getting a good feel for is the Warden. The Warden and Shaman are offshoots from the Druid, but the Shaman at least has a distinct feel.
I voted for the Sorcerer. I don't like random effects at all. The dragon sorcerer also looks like a hodgepodge of effects stapled onto the class. It doesn't do anything for me.
The Shaman I'm iffy on. I had high hopes for it, and the preview didn't impress me.
Although I am curious about Jack's commentary on the barbarian. What makes you think the barb can't die? Honestly, any time I've seen a Barb in a game, they are prone to getting obliterated.
The only class I'm not getting a good feel for is the Warden. The Warden and Shaman are offshoots from the Druid, but the Shaman at least has a distinct feel.
Yeah, this is pretty much my sentiment.
I kind of wish they'd just gave the "I turn into different animals!" shtick to one class, instead of dilluting it over several. Warden right now just seems like: "It's the Druid, except he's now a Defender, for some reason." The name isn't particularly evocative, either.
Still, I haven't seen the whole class. And the other PHB 2 classes seem to be made of liquid awesome. So I'm excited.
Last edited by Kinneus; 16th March 2009 at 08:41 PM..
Voted Shaman myself. I'll have to think about it more when I actually have the book in my hands. I just wasn't hooked by it anywhere near like I was with some of the other classes.
Heh. Until this poll was posted, I didn't even know all of the classes included in the PHB2 so I can't vote against any of them. At least your poll was informative.
I voted Invoker and Shaman, the former because I haven't heard anything that interests me about the class and the latter because it seems like a lot of mechanical clunkiness for not much payoff. Time (and PH2) will tell.
Although I am curious about Jack's commentary on the barbarian. What makes you think the barb can't die? Honestly, any time I've seen a Barb in a game, they are prone to getting obliterated.
I wouldn't put too much stock in what I say when I am trying to be funny. I rarely make sense. The barbarian does have a good deal of utilities*/dailies (and a PP) that make it pretty hard (if build correctly) to kill him. But no, he definitely does not seem broken, like for example the battlerager.
For example (and this is just one of several): Last Stand - Imm Interrupt when you go below 0 - effect: you do not go unconscious until the end of your next turn - sustain minor and take 5 damage.
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355 hours played
Gnoguh, human fighter/cleric (kensei->adamantine soldier)
Carric, elf cleric/ranger (radiant servant->saint)
Torn, tiefling wizard/cleric (divine oracle->sages of ages)
Truxas, human feylock/bard (feytouched->feyliege)
Tagron, human rogue (daggermaster->deadly trickster) 21th level Musings of an Epic Virgin
I voted Warden (has more to do with defenders in general than him) and the shaman (similar with leaders, the bard is interesting enough to make up for it). I'm most interested in the strikers and controllers (I've only really played a wizard once, at Gen Con, so I'm interested in getting to play not just a controller, but a more fully realized one).
In general, most of the classes seem to have a hook, either at will (wild shaping, spirit companion), daily (angel summoning, polymorphing, raging), or other things (the versatility of the bard, and the randomness of the wild sorceror) that sets them apart, so that none of them really seem like a repackaged/refluffed PHB class. I love the Oath of Enmity as a variation of the striker class concept.
In general, most of the classes seem to have a hook, either at will (wild shaping, spirit companion), daily (angel summoning, polymorphing, raging), or other things (the versatility of the bard, and the randomness of the wild sorceror) that sets them apart, so that none of them really seem like a repackaged/refluffed PHB class. I love the Oath of Enmity as a variation of the striker class concept.
Really? Are there any classes well versed in BMX based tactics?
I find it really odd (read: amusing) that so many people don't get the Warden and that is the FIRST class from PHB2 I will be rolling up a character for. The fact he's basically just the great, unfazeable Celtic Warrior is awesome alone, but the fact he has been empowered by nature spirits AND THEN takes on aspects of nature (both elemental and beastial) increases his bad-ass factor by about 4 (for me).
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The classes at the bottom of my list (that is, the ones I voted for) are the invoker, avenger, and shaman. I don't generally care for the divine power source, although the invoker and avenger both have slightly interesting stuff about them (the invoke that he doesn't pay fealty to one particular god, and the avenger has an interesting/thought provoking mechanic). The shaman is my least favorite for two reasons: 1) It can be an animal or a spirit; an animal spirit is going too far. 2) All the companion does is run around and serve as a focal point for your powers? I didn't like the beastmaster ranger because it looked like the beast was nothing but a flanker, and it would actually attack less than half the time . . . now the shaman's companion is even worse. I don't mind complexity (I actually prefer it), but the fluff of a companion that doesn't do anything is IMO pretty terrible. I might have to reevaluate this after actually reading the book, but that's what I got from the 1-3 preview.
My favorites in order are: Druid, Sorcerer, Warden. The rest I'm mostly impartial about.
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