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Old 20th March 2009, 12:46 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Way to steal the kill from that poor adventuring party V. Imagine how many parties are going to gain an inordinate amount of treasure for their level without expending any resources or gaining a commensurate amount of experience points. Now that's evil. Not cool.

I liked the handful of half-dragons in the family; especially the half-dragon centaur.
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Yipes!

I guess it's true what they say... there's no kill like overkill.
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Old 20th March 2009, 01:17 PM   #24 (permalink)
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A more cogent example would be, "Is it evil to sacrifice a few babies and some innocent bystanders if it's the best way to defeat a great evil?"

To which the answer should be, "YES."
To reference Dimitri Karamazov, "I'd have to say, 'no thank you,' and return my ticket."
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If he'd gone into a dungeon with a party and killed every single one that would be ok, just because he skipped that step it means its evil? I don't think so.

On another point though Tiamat anyone?
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If he'd gone into a dungeon with a party and killed every single one that would be ok,
Not if he went in and smashed up the eggs and the half-dragon-half-centaurs without finding out their alignment, it wouldn't be.

Dragons are not outsiders; a black dragon raised in a Lawful Good environment will end up Lawful Good. Therefore, a black dragon egg is an innocent. Killing innocents indiscriminately is evil, no matter who else you get with the same shot.
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On another point though Tiamat anyone?
Yeah, I imagine a certain queen of evil dragons may be a bit, um, put out by this action.
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a black dragon raised in a Lawful Good environment will end up Lawful Good. Therefore, a black dragon egg is an innocent.
Oh... I don't find that rule anywhere. According to SRD black dragon is always chaotic evil and half dragons are same as their dragon parent. So by RAW, those were all evil creatures he slaid. Even the eggs.

Now there might be some setting specific changes to this, but if you're playing Eberron (or any other setting with the change) don't expect that others do.
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Not if he went in and smashed up the eggs and the half-dragon-half-centaurs without finding out their alignment, it wouldn't be.

Dragons are not outsiders; a black dragon raised in a Lawful Good environment will end up Lawful Good. Therefore, a black dragon egg is an innocent. Killing innocents indiscriminately is evil, no matter who else you get with the same shot.
I do recall reading in the Draconomicon that even just after they hatch, the wyrmlings are born with some of the basic knowledge of their parents. So even an unhatched black dragon probably 'knows' that Peasants = Food
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I find the oft repeated sentiment that game rules are allowed to define morality above and beyond common sense disturbing at best.
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Oh... I don't find that rule anywhere. According to SRD black dragon is always chaotic evil and half dragons are same as their dragon parent. So by RAW, those were all evil creatures he slaid. Even the eggs.

Now there might be some setting specific changes to this, but if you're playing Eberron (or any other setting with the change) don't expect that others do.
Try "Alignment", in the 3.0/3.5 MM. "Always Chaotic Evil" means that a vast majority (iirc, about 80%) of the species is of the given alignment, but exceptions still do exist.
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Oh come on game rules are allowed to define morality in a GAME.
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Man, that dragon can REPRODUCE.

That's a lot of family.
Dragons will mate with anyone and anything, just check how many half-dragon whatevers are around. I am just waiting to hear of a half-dragon rock, or a half-dragon tree.
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Man, that dragon can REPRODUCE.

That's a lot of family.
It is more likely that it hit every dragon descended from both the maternal and paternal grand parents, or great grand parents, or something of that sort. So a whole lot of cousins and 2nd cousins are probably wondering what the hell hit them right now.

If it was not for the fact that this is entirely secondary to the Xykon plot, this is the sort of thing that I would happily de-rail my campaign for if a player pulled it off. In my campaigns, Takhisis / Tiamat would certainly take a very direct interest in the caster who pulled off something like that, and would be made to pay very dearly for it.

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Dragons will mate with anyone and anything, just check how many half-dragon whatevers are around. I am just waiting to hear of a half-dragon rock, or a half-dragon tree.
Half-Dragon Earth Elemental? Half-Dragon Treant?
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Dragons will mate with anyone and anything, just check how many half-dragon whatevers are around. I am just waiting to hear of a half-dragon rock, or a half-dragon tree.

Thus you have all the sorcerers descendant from those half-dragons.

So, you have a lot of sorcerers with a certain black dragon lineage, and all their human / humanoid relatives lined up for the chopping block too...
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