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Just when you think the bad decisions can't possibly keep coming...
You obviously have not spent enough time in a large corporation. Rule 137 of working in a large corporation: Never, EVER believe for a moment that your dumb boss can't make a dumber decision than the one he just made, because he ALWAYS can. It can ALWAYS get worse.
I honestly think in the end the DDI won't survive just like every other online thing Wizards has tried. They can't even get their chat rooms up and running.
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Man, I need more XP to give out! This is Golden!
All XP accepted. I'm so tired of being a second level goblin whatever-it-is.
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If you're angry that you can't buy old TSR material, give WotC a month and they'll be selling to you again through the DDI.
Anyone think they'll try to somehow use this to promote DDI subscriptions?
That said, anyone else suspect that DDI sales aren't hitting expectations? Character visualizer, dungeon builder, and virtual game table all having had no news in months, getting on a year past when they were originally supposed to launch, and links to info on them getting removed from the DDI page?
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If you're angry that you can't buy old TSR material, give WotC a month and they'll be selling to you again through the DDI.
If you're angry that you can't download your remaining 5 PDF copies, you should be pissed that RPGnow sold you a product that they can't deliver on.
Wizard is within its rights. RPGnow got caught with its pants down. Your bile is misdirected.
Hahahahaha, what.
Seriously.
What.
I can't think of a logical answer to this OR a snappy response. You're dead serious. You actually think that WotC has done nothing wrong here. I..am speechless.
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If you're angry that you can't buy old TSR material, give WotC a month and they'll be selling to you again through the DDI.
If you're angry that you can't download your remaining 5 PDF copies, you should be pissed that RPGnow sold you a product that they can't deliver on.
Wizard is within its rights. RPGnow got caught with its pants down. Your bile is misdirected.
No, sir. I won't be giving WotC jack-crap, and they will not be selling to me through any outlet.
I don't care what WotC's rights are, there are things from a basic level of customer courtesy and fan relations that you do not do. You do not give ZERO DAYS NOTICE before cutting off already-purchased downloads. That's their right? OK. Does that make it anything other a foolish, inconsiderate, thoughtless, insulting move? No. It also would have been their right to give us some sort of notice. It would have been their right to work out some sort of alternative consideration for people who actually paid for their electronic product, one that retained some modicum of publisher/gamer trust. That's not the "right" they went with, is it?
There are too many game publishers who work at giving a crap, putting out a quality product, and show basic consideration for their fans to deal with this, or even spend time defending it. Customers and gamers deserve better, and it's out there.
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If you're angry that you can't buy old TSR material, give WotC a month and they'll be selling to you again through the DDI.
If you're angry that you can't download your remaining 5 PDF copies, you should be pissed that RPGnow sold you a product that they can't deliver on.
Wizard is within its rights. RPGnow got caught with its pants down. Your bile is misdirected.
Blah.
Did WOTC give rpgnow or Paizo ( or the customers) any warning whatsoever? No.
If I recall correctly, you have to give at least 30 days notice before you pull products from the site.
30 days is easily enough time for a customer to to download something 5 times, and I seriously doubt that OBS would ignore the fact that one of their largest-selling clients is canceling their account and not tell customers to download the products they had purchased before it was too late.
From what I can tell, WOTC just pulled the plug, which is likely a breach of contract on their part.
Anyone think they'll try to somehow use this to promote DDI subscriptions?
That said, anyone else suspect that DDI sales aren't hitting expectations? Character visualizer, dungeon builder, and virtual game table all having had no news in months, getting on a year past when they were originally supposed to launch, and links to info on them getting removed from the DDI page?
Man I so un-observant I hadn't even notice their cancellation removal from the website.
I can't think of a logical answer to this OR a snappy response. You're dead serious. You actually think that WotC has done nothing wrong here. I..am speechless.
Respectfully submitted:
I sell a product to Cirno. Cirno, Inc. tell its customers that they will be able to buy Filcher Paste to the end of time.
I stop producing Filcher Paste. Cirno Inc.'s customers are pissed ...
Because of promises I made?
No. Because of promises Cirno Inc. made.
But you're all pissed a Filcher Paste.
WotC is under no obligation to keep selling their PDFs. But folks are behaving like it is their right to buy them.
Phhhbbt.
WotC will sell the PDFs again. But not through RPGnow, who sold what they can't deliver.
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Reason: Drunk. But don't tell Granny.
It's news like this that makes me glad that I stopped buying any WotC products once they announced 4E, and put all my gaming funds over into Paizo. Not only did it save me a couple thousand a year, it supports a company that truly cares about its fans, and helps ensure that the legacy lives on in non-corporate setting.
And while the illegal pirated pdfs will remain on torrent sites for a long time to come, all of WotC's products are still legally available via eBay and used book stores for those looking for bargains, with the added benefit of sending no money to WotC's coffers! That's how I rounded out the rest of my collection (4E excluded).
I sell a product to Cirno. Cirno, Inc. tell its customers that they will be able to buy Filcher Paste to the end of time.
I stop producing Filcher Paste. Cirno Inc.'s customers are pissed ...
Because of promises I made?
No. Because of promises Cirno Inc. made.
But you're all pissed a Cirno Inc.
WotC is under no obligation to keep selling their PDFs. But folks are behaving like it is their right to buy them.
Phhhbbt.
WotC will sell the PDFs again. But not through RPGnow, who sold what they can't deliver.
Do you not understand business?? If Wizards gives RPGNow the right to sell it's PDFs, people purchase them then they get taken away by Wizards, then thats Wizards wrong doing. Sure RPGnow should have to refund it's customers and Wizards needs to refund RPGNow, they didn't get to sell those PDF's for free.
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