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Old 16th April 2009, 06:42 PM   #1 (permalink)
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[Forked Thread: WotC president Greg Leeds] Ask Wotc to set older titles on a POD shop

Forked from: WotC president Greg Leeds and I!!!

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If WotC is worried about piracy, could they at least re-release previous edition books and modules through Lulu?

The books would be more expensive BUT it would cost WotC next to nothing and I'm sure there would be people out there who would jump at the chance to buy those books (again).

Green Ronin is doing this with their 3rd Era line and I applaud them for it.
This. This is what should be asked to Wotc.
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Old 16th April 2009, 07:32 PM   #2 (permalink)
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This. This is what should be asked to Wotc.
I support this message.

There would undoubtedly be difficulties one way or the other, but making older edition stuff available as POD would be great.

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Old 16th April 2009, 08:29 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I think it is an awesome idea!
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Old 16th April 2009, 08:34 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Yup. I made this suggestion days ago in another thread. It would be possible to sell older material this way, and they could sell it as hardcopy ONLY. Yeah its more money than a pdf, but I sure would rather have an awesome physical product in my hands any day.

Heck, no need to reinvent the wheel, just POD redbox basic sets and you have a great introductory product.
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I agree that this would be much better than a subscription service, and I think it's a good idea. But it doesn't do much for those of us with small amounts of shelf space.
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I agree that this would be much better than a subscription service, and I think it's a good idea. But it doesn't do much for those of us with small amounts of shelf space.
That is an issue, but as a long time gamer living in 2 bedroom apartment I would still prefer a module with cardstock cover map goodness over printouts.
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That is an issue, but as a long time gamer living in 2 bedroom apartment I would still prefer a module with cardstock cover map goodness over printouts.
Who said anything about printing the PDF?

Seriously, though, POD is something I could see doing if I ever had more space, and it's way better than no or subscription-only access, so I wholeheartedly support this request!
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Old 17th April 2009, 01:19 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Technical question here, because I'm ignorant about printing matters.

What happens if you upload to Lulu (or some equivalent service) a PDF that contains a crappy scan as opposes to an OEF?

I think that all the pre-3e PDFs are scan and the quality of those I've seen isn't that great.

What is the end result? Is the quality of the printed book acceptable?
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Old 17th April 2009, 04:19 AM   #9 (permalink)
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As someone who owns many of the PDFs I want in print...

OH YEAH!

I totally agree with this.

Bring it up, and provide some serious emphasis.



(or I'll have to just have a printshop do it for me with no benefit to WotC other than the money they already got from me for the PDFs)...assuming that is legal-I haven't yet checked into it.
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Old 17th April 2009, 09:52 AM   #10 (permalink)
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The pdf's cost them next to nothing as well, and what did they do?

Personally, I think this idea makes to much sense.

Also, they've already got products on lulu that would compete with tsr stuff.

For example:
Swords & Wizardry [0E clone]

Spellcraft & Swordplay [castles & crusades for 0E]

labyrinth lord [red box + blue box clone]

basic fantasy [castles & crusades for red box + blue box]

Oh, and they're not printouts of poor scans or anything.
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I think this would work for many of the 3e products, since PDFs are likely printer-ready and have high-quality files available.

However, the real legacy products, such as works from 1e/2e are probably not very suitable, because of the quality of the scans, which in a lot of cases were primitive. You're not going to get a good copy of the "White Box", the Basic Sets, the AD&D hardcovers, or older modules. I doubt they'd work well in POD. In that case, I just wish they'd keep selling PDFs of the really ancient stuff.
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I think this would work for many of the 3e products, since PDFs are likely printer-ready and have high-quality files available.

However, the real legacy products, such as works from 1e/2e are probably not very suitable, because of the quality of the scans, which in a lot of cases were primitive. You're not going to get a good copy of the "White Box", the Basic Sets, the AD&D hardcovers, or older modules. I doubt they'd work well in POD. In that case, I just wish they'd keep selling PDFs of the really ancient stuff.
Isn't there a software that can measure the angles of text blocks and align them? I know there is plenty of hand written text recognition software. Alternatively couldn't they OCR them?
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Awsome idea. I would buy them in preference to PDFs.
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Actually I would like to see WotC do to the pre-3E stuff what they did to the Star Frontiers stuff -- allow it to be freely copied and distributed. I can't imagine that they are making much on these products nowadays.

This way some fans could recreate these products digitally and we could have cleaner copies of them.

But i am probably dreaming.
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Technical question here, because I'm ignorant about printing matters.

What happens if you upload to Lulu (or some equivalent service) a PDF that contains a crappy scan as opposes to an OEF?

I think that all the pre-3e PDFs are scan and the quality of those I've seen isn't that great.

What is the end result? Is the quality of the printed book acceptable?
A quick check at my PDFs - the files are OCR'ed. So the text is actual text. So that helps improve the chances of decent print outs.

My other question is what about poster maps that were scanned into sections. It would truly be awesome if those could be included as poster maps again, even at the needed higher cost, but that probably ain't gonna happen.
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Old 22nd April 2009, 02:09 AM   #16 (permalink)
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A quick check at my PDFs - the files are OCR'ed. So the text is actual text. So that helps improve the chances of decent print outs.
I have several of the PDFs and the OCR is far from complete. In some on them, like the Mythus Books, the OCR is almost non-existent.

In the AD&D PHB, which is the book I use the most since I run two AD&D PbEM, the OCR is not bad, but the tables are incomplete.

Also, I printed some pages and the quality was rather poor; hence my doubts about the feasibility of sending those files to a POD facility.
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Someone has to ask...well, even if only me:

What the hell is POD?

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What an entirely excellent idea!
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