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... cleaned up the massive amounts of white space ...
No! Please, Wotc, donīt give in! In defense of whitespace! In the name of Saint Frutiger! Revision, yes, more fluff, yes, expand, yes - less whitespace, no.
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If they expanded it out to 320 pages, cleaned up the massive amounts of white space, put in more guidelines on making encounter groups, role playing the monsters, showing methods for changing small details without altering the mosnter completely, etc.... and did it for a lower cover price... sure!
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No! Please, Wotc, donīt give in! In defense of whitespace! In the name of Saint Frutiger! Revision, yes, more fluff, yes, expand, yes - less whitespace, no.
Actually, what i would really just want is a download from DDI that revamps some of the MM1 monster to the new specs. I don't want a new book.
I don't think he has to. I'm sure that, insofar as he has the power to, Scott Rouse will keep his word that there will be no 4.5. He certainly seems to be a nice, trustworthy guy. However, he does not have all of the power in his hands.
So while I believe we can take him at his word, he can be laid off or overridden from on high. I'm sure they believe they have a solid business case for not releasing a 4.5, but if the conditions that decision was predicated on change significantly, we may see that decision change.
To answer the original question, though, as a DM, I wish they would. I'd buy it if there were actual redesign of some of the monsters. Errata isn't enough to make me do so, though, since I already have DDI.
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or will this just raise outcries of 4.5!! ZoMG!!11!Is it necessary?
I'm hoping for 4dvanced Dungeons and Dragons rather than "4.5".
Of course detractors will complain. but given what WotC has said about a "living ruleset" {IIRC], i think revised "#1" corebooks, without actual edition changes, are a natural result of ther revisable nature of the DDI.
I don't think he has to. I'm sure that, insofar as he has the power to, Scott Rouse will keep his word that there will be no 4.5. He certainly seems to be a nice, trustworthy guy. However, he does not have all of the power in his hands.
Then he should not have said those words. He chose to put the value of his word in the hands of whoever above him who could make that call.
I am satisfied WOTC is learning the system too. So far the excerpts for the MMII look really nice, and, to be honest, I don't see how the MMI monsters are so terrible. So a few do too little damage, I think that about all of them. A few typos or older-edition language, again, who cares?
The MMI is a solid book, and I see no reason to make a lot of changes. I would rather see WOTC put is time and energy towards the next book.
Too bad they didnt learn the system before they published it.
It seems to me that all the books could stand a revision already. PHB as much as MM. Maybe they could put some content in the DMG too.
I think that the system will need updating after PHB3 comes out next year. Things will need to be rebalanced against one another by then. Plus, there will probably be some hated things eliminated and liked things expanded at the time.
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I don't see why they couldn't just up the damage and lower the HP of the MM1 creatures in an errata document, and then when they reprint the MM, reprint it with errata.
That would probably be a great scenario for both the fans and for WotC. People who don't want to buy another MM would have the new stats for free, and others (like me) would gladly buy another copy to have scarier versions of a lot of the iconic monsters in print. And as it is a reprint with errata rather than a new edition or 4.5 or whatever, they wouldn't have to print more books than what they were going to print anyway.
And given that people like me are out there, this errata'd printing would likely sell somewhat better than most subsequent runs of existing books.
Too bad they didnt learn the system before they published it.
Did you always do something new perfectly the first time? Are you an expert golfer after you practice a year?
This is really an unreasonable comment, and I really see it a lot. There is a huge difference between a year of playtesting with hundreds of people, and then releasing it to tens or hundreds of thousands. The tens of thousands are gonna find more about the game as multiple hundreds of thousands of hours of the game are done.
If you have ever said, "Hey, I never considered that..." then you are in WOTC's shoes.
I think all the Core triad - PH1, MM1, DMG1 - could sorely do with a full re-design and re-print. Something that incorporates all the advances and insights developed so far in the game from its beginning. It would improve the game and *keep it* on the road of constant improvement, which is how it should be.
Of course, WotC's fear at the backlash and criticism that doing something like that would engender will probably keep them from ever fully going through with it. The situation is illustrative of how a vocal minority with an agenda to follow often not only succeeds in slowing the growth of a good thing, but also in actually and actively hurting it and those who enjoy it. It's sad, but the world is what it is.
The MMI is a solid book, and I see no reason to make a lot of changes. I would rather see WOTC put is time and energy towards the next book.
So is the PHBI - both are solid books that work, but I get the feeling that the newer books, starting with PHB2 and AP are more interesting in terms of options, i.e. they offer a lot more variety. The core books are very conservative with effects of powers and abilities of monsters.
Did you always do something new perfectly the first time? Are you an expert golfer after you practice a year?
This is really an unreasonable comment, and I really see it a lot. There is a huge difference between a year of playtesting with hundreds of people, and then releasing it to tens or hundreds of thousands. The tens of thousands are gonna find more about the game as multiple hundreds of thousands of hours of the game are done.
I only wish they had playtested longer, or with more people, but i generally agree with you. Despite the problems i have with 4e, it is a good system and they really broke some new ground. I think the game can keep getting better and better.
What are some specific changes people would suggest? This could be a fan-driven thing, perhaps released as a freebie pdf.
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What's the difference though if they release a "revised" monster, or a new monster of the same type, but different options? There aren't any "default" monsters anymore. They're all just various depictions of different monsters.
I guess with the dragons you could classify them as defaults, because they're broken up by age... But why not just release a "new" Red Dragon, give it a new Nounverb at the end, and have at ye?
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