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View Poll Results: How long before the pirated copy hits the torrents | |
1 day
|     | 26 | 13.76% | |
2 days
|    | 10 | 5.29% | |
3 days
|    | 10 | 5.29% | |
4 days
|    | 3 | 1.59% | |
5 days
|    | 13 | 6.88% | |
6 days
|    | 9 | 4.76% | |
7-8 days
| | 43 | 22.75% | |
9-10 days
| | 28 | 14.81% | |
11+ days
| | 25 | 13.23% | |
Chicken Korma (no idea)
| | 22 | 11.64% |
12th May 2009, 12:05 PM
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| Monster Manual 2: How long before the pirated copy appears?
Like the very useful Arcane Power thread. Discuss sightings and rumors (no links please!).
How long do you believe it will take from this month's official release of MM2 until it hits the Internet, complete with bookmarks and OCR? | 
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13th May 2009, 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by CapnZapp  How long do you believe it will take from this month's official release of MM2 until it hits the Internet, complete with bookmarks and OCR? | The problem is, when do we start counting? It's out in Japan, after all. Not being pirated yet means it's already beaten the MM1. 
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13th May 2009, 01:51 PM
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| Count any way you like. 
For Arcane Power it seemed rather easy to arrive consensus ("about a week"). I see no reason why this should change for MM2; SpringsBoundlessThorn had an early copy of AP too... | |
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13th May 2009, 02:51 PM
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| Well, I would say about a week or ten days. From official release date. I see no real reason for the time to be vastly different from Arcane Power, though I see more interest in the MMII.
I'm actually surprised that Arcane Power took ten days, with the anger over the non-pdf decision still fresh. I would have thought someone would have done it ASAP to show WOTC a thing ... or even two.
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13th May 2009, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Dice4Hire I'm actually surprised that Arcane Power took ten days, with the anger over the non-pdf decision still fresh. I would have thought someone would have done it ASAP to show WOTC a thing ... or even two. | That just shows that the D&D players are a pretty loyal bunch who don't engage is illegal activities that much.
The people who pirate PDFs are not D&D players but semi professional pirates who do this things to brag about it in the scene, not because they are interested in what they pirate.
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13th May 2009, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Derren That just shows that the D&D players are a pretty loyal bunch who don't engage is illegal activities that much.
The people who pirate PDFs are not D&D players but semi professional pirates who do this things to brag about it in the scene, not because they are interested in what they pirate. | Pirates are lazy. Even though many have the tech to OCR a pirated book, making it much smaller in file size and thus easier to share, few ever bother, leaving most the books in the 100mb range. | |
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13th May 2009, 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by frankthedm Pirates are lazy. Even though many have the tech to OCR a pirated book, making it much smaller in file size and thus easier to share, few ever bother, leaving most the books in the 100mb range. | No, pirates are not lazy. Its just that D&D books are very low on their list of priorities. And wasn't Arcane Power OCRed?
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14th May 2009, 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Derren The people who pirate PDFs are not D&D players but semi professional pirates who do this things to brag about it in the scene, not because they are interested in what they pirate. | I don't know. They buy the books don't they?
Also, rpgs aren't mainstream movies, long awaited albums or heavily protected softwares. I don't think scanning a book after its release date will make anyone shine outside of gaming circles.
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14th May 2009, 02:14 AM
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Originally Posted by frankthedm Pirates are lazy. Even though many have the tech to OCR a pirated book, making it much smaller in file size and thus easier to share, few ever bother, leaving most the books in the 100mb range. | Quote:
Originally Posted by Derren No, pirates are not lazy. Its just that D&D books are very low on their list of priorities. And wasn't Arcane Power OCRed? | Yes it was.
Even with ocr, you can't reduce the size of a pdf too much without losing picture quality. Before wotc started selling pdfs, scanned copies were heavy but some had better bookmarks, links and pictures than the official ones.
That's another reason why I think they're made by fans.
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14th May 2009, 09:47 AM
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| Faster this time I think
The new PDF policy was spung too close to release for people to team up on the project - joe bob and ted go in on a copy, and ron scans and bookmarks it and sends it around; once the core group has copies, it goes to the DL sits. I think people were spoiled by WOTC staff leaking the PDFs, making real, external piracy unneccessary. (Or maybe it was the printers sometimes, but it was an inside job)
This is a release that has more pull than AP, so I voted 2 - 3 days to post. I think it will be scanned and available on private networks within 24 hours, and migrate to public torrent sites at 48-72 hours.
I have noticed that the April character builder patch has been taken down from some sites, while AP has been left up. So it may be that while MMII gets up quick, it may not STAY up. Anyone that believes in piracy should snatch it up ASAP; it may be a short lived torrent. | |
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14th May 2009, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by lutecius Yes it was.
Even with ocr, you can't reduce the size of a pdf too much without losing picture quality. Before wotc started selling pdfs, scanned copies were heavy but some had better bookmarks, links and pictures than the official ones.
That's another reason why I think they're made by fans. | A good, scanned and OCR'ed version of arcane power weighs just under 25 MB and it is good quality | |
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19th May 2009, 05:23 PM
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| Kindly keep this to MM2, thank you.
And oh, please try to keep the discussion to what encompasses the domain of the general public.
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23rd May 2009, 07:56 PM
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| On 4chan somebody was already busy scanning the MM about a week ago. I saw a few hastily (and poorly) done pages as evidence that he was really doing it, showing some dragons and other beasties.
So frankly I'm surprised it's not all over the web already.
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23rd May 2009, 08:47 PM
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| Its interesting to note that the new Saga Edition Star Wars rulebook, that came out the same day, popped up within 24 hours, both a basic scan and an optimized one with bookmarks.
Obviously it can be done in a short period of time, but I suppose its a matter of interest by those that do the pirating, and perhaps the demand in any particular crowd. | |
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25th May 2009, 02:41 PM
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| Just a basic *bump* to encourage more people to vote and discuss (this thread was originally part of the temporary forum, and when they merged the threads into here, they all dropped below the radar straight away. I found this way down on page four myself) | |
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25th May 2009, 03:16 PM
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| All I know is MM will take more time to hit DDI this month and my Amazon copy will probably be delivered at june's end...
There should be a PDF copy of paper books for those who live far away from US :P
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26th May 2009, 11:36 AM
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| Yes, the WotC decision probably hurts non-US customers more. However, that has been discussed extensively elsewhere.
In other news, it's interesting to see that fully 30% of the voters voted 9 days or more (probably as a reaction to the AP delays)
What is the official release date, by the way? | |
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26th May 2009, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by avin All I know is MM will take more time to hit DDI this month and my Amazon copy will probably be delivered at june's end...
There should be a PDF copy of paper books for those who live far away from US :P | LOL, I would be happy with ANY PDF copy here, where I live.
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26th May 2009, 11:54 AM
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| I can say PDF is out. So, 7 days (a week) was the right vote. | |
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26th May 2009, 12:00 PM
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| I think the MM2 is out on the torrents now.
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