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Any time. Brilliant stuff, and much that I modified for my own game.
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I visited your site... you have a few images that don't display. Just thought you might like to know.
Thanks. When I have the August release done, I'll try to fix them.
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Oh, and your RPG system looks interesting. A bit too "advanced" for me, but definitely interesting.
Any adventures done for my system should adapt pretty easily to yours, though, and vice versa. The different specifics should be easy to ignore. I am working on an RCFG megadungeon that shouldn't take more than 20 minutes per level to adapt to BF when done.....mostly just cutting & pasting stat blocks. I'd be happy to send you a copy when completed (perhaps around Christmas.......).
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RCFG - My free mostly-OGC OGL game! RCFG is intended to be a fusion between OS & NS playstyles, giving the advantages of SRD-based gaming coupled with quick character and adventure generation and an Old School feel.
I bought the BFRPG book. I printed the Almanack, made character sheets, converted one of my favorite basic D&D module, and got ready to run a game. This Friday!
No one was interested. I actually had players willing to take a few weeks off game rather than "go backwards" from 3e.
So I boxed up my BFRPG stuff for now, and intend that ONE DAY I shall run my BFRPG game; probably not with those losers.
Ouch! That sucks, man. I'm sorry to hear it.
Hopefully they didn't accuse you of "nostalgia".
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What the heck is wrong with nostalgia? I go back to things fairly often for no better reason than to enjoy the simple pleasure of nostalgia. Growing tired of it being turned into a dirty word both by those that try to use as an insult and the hypersensitive who let them.
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What the heck is wrong with nostalgia? I go back to things fairly often for no better reason than to enjoy the simple pleasure of nostalgia. Growing tired of it being turned into a dirty word both by those that try to use as an insult and the hypersensitive who let them.
"Hypersensitive"? No, I just don't like bullshoot.
"Nostalgia" means "The thing you like objectively sucks and you're irrational."
But hey, if you like being insulted I'm not going to stop you.
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I bought the BFRPG book. I printed the Almanack, made character sheets, converted one of my favorite basic D&D module, and got ready to run a game. This Friday!
No one was interested. I actually had players willing to take a few weeks off game rather than "go backwards" from 3e.
So I boxed up my BFRPG stuff for now, and intend that ONE DAY I shall run my BFRPG game; probably not with those losers.
Anyone in the Metro Detroit area looking for a BFRPG game; I'll make arrangements.
Hang on a moment. Nobody wants to "go backwards" but everyone hates 4E? Do any of these turkeys have the stones to run a game themselves? If the answer is no, then it's time to find new friends.
"Nostalgia" means "The thing you like objectively sucks and you're irrational."
That's pretty much the kind of thing I'm talking about right there.
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But hey, if you like being insulted I'm not going to stop you.
Insulted? No. Mildly annoyed? Yes.
Like I said before, there's a small group that seems to want to turn nostalgia into a weaponized buzzword, and another small group that wants to use it to take umbrage at the drop of a hat, and both are being largely unreasonable.
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Heh. I SOLD it partially on the "nostalgia" kicker! As one player put it "Its nostalgic for you (since you started in BD&D) but not for us (since we started in 2e)." Another said "Well, if we're going to go back, why don't we just dust off our 2e material."
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Hang on a moment. Nobody wants to "go backwards" but everyone hates 4E? Do any of these turkeys have the stones to run a game themselves? If the answer is no, then it's time to find new friends.
Ha! Good point!
The general consensus (excluding one diehard 4e fan and myself) is 3.x is fine enough, they shouldn't have messed with it. Anything earlier brings up ghosts best left forgotten (differing XP tables, 5 save slots, thief % skills) but 4e basically went too far in changing everything to become hyper-balanced and thus "bland".
(This is not an EW: these are my players thoughts, not mine. Don't argue with me, these don't represent my views)
One is a DM (3e). One DMed before (but would rather play; he'd also like to play 4e).
Otherwise I agree with you; its a very "closed-minded" view on things, but short of kicking everyone out to run a game I'm not even sure would last long (it might NOT be what I wanted after all) I'm kinda in a bind.
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"Nostalgia" isn't a bad word to me. Your mileage may vary.
I like it. I accept it. Its not my only reason to looking into the game, but I don't deny its a selling point.
"Nostalgia" isn't a bad word to me. Your mileage may vary.
Nostalgia isn't a bad word at all and is also a rather common feeling. People sometimes take umbrage at the fact that the word is used in a context like "It's only because of an irrational feeling of nostalgia that you play old editions of D&D even though they clearly suck and the new editions are so much better."
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Otherwise I agree with you; its a very "closed-minded" view on things, but short of kicking everyone out to run a game I'm not even sure would last long (it might NOT be what I wanted after all) I'm kinda in a bind.
Are the players unwilling to even play a single trial game?
If so, yes it's rather close minded. On the other hand, if they've tried and would rather play 3e, this is something I can respect. I personally prefer a variety of games, but I can't begrudge someone for wanting to stick with a single game that they like best.
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I had the same issue with my old group- They wanted all the crunch of 3E/4E characters but none of the complication during gameplay(????). 3E was a no-go for me and had been since 2002. We had tried C&C and that was a no-go for me AND them. 4E was going pretty well, but they still wanted something less crunchy for combat ( I don't even run alot of combat! None of them could ever articulate exactly what they wanted out of a game system, but I'm thinking they really should be playing something besides D&D)
After running a one-shot weekend marathon of S&W with my original grade school group and having a total freaking blast, I figured I would try something similar with the (then) current group but a bit more crunchy. I bought BFRPG, the group said "no thanks". Not crunchy enuff, wonky old school D&D. Schedules fell apart, none of them wanted to run anything themselves, and so the group disbanded.
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Are the players unwilling to even play a single trial game?
If so, yes it's rather close minded. On the other hand, if they've tried and would rather play 3e, this is something I can respect. I personally prefer a variety of games, but I can't begrudge someone for wanting to stick with a single game that they like best.
Preferring a certain game is all well and good but RH is in a situation with some very selfish players. 3.X is arguably the edition that requires the most prep and effort to run. RH has a group that only wants to play this edition and wants him to be the one to run it all.
From a common courtesy perspective this is just plain wrong. If these people are actual friends rather than just casual gaming buddies it's even worse.
For you folks that want to run BFRPG, but can't find FTF players, if you decide to run an online voice chat BFRPG send me an email. I'd love to join in.
Are the players unwilling to even play a single trial game?
If so, yes it's rather close minded. On the other hand, if they've tried and would rather play 3e, this is something I can respect. I personally prefer a variety of games, but I can't begrudge someone for wanting to stick with a single game that they like best.
Ok, I've been running an Eberron game for a long time now, and the group is now 11th-12th level. That's a lot of hard prep. I have 4 players.
1.) Didn't want to play. Downloaded/read the rules, and thought them too anachronistic. He was my sit-out. Dislikes 4e also, though he has given it a very valid trial with it.
2.) Didn't want to play, but would so "for my sake." Would much rather end the Eberron game to play 4e, an opinion no one else agrees with.
3.) Another "would do it for my sake" player. Dislikes 4e, but didn't play it much either.
4.) New player, Eberron was his first D&D game. No official opinion, but was kinda bending between "Not interested" and "for my sake".
So out of 4 players, one wasn't coming and three was only coming because they felt it was their gamer duty. All except for player 2 would rather play 3e.
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Wow, bummer. I find myself wondering just what game they WOULD like.
One likes the new hawtness of 4e. Two like 3e's wealth of options. One doesn't have an opinion, but would rather not learn the game over again after just getting the hang of it now.
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Preferring a certain game is all well and good but RH is in a situation with some very selfish players. 3.X is arguably the edition that requires the most prep and effort to run. RH has a group that only wants to play this edition and wants him to be the one to run it all.
From a common courtesy perspective this is just plain wrong. If these people are actual friends rather than just casual gaming buddies it's even worse.
The compromise we worked out was to set down the high level 3.5 game for a more module-driven low level 3.5 game. My stipulation was tight control on char-gen; pretty much PHB + limited options (vs. my normal anything goes) to simulate the feel of Basic, in spirit if not in rules.
And yes, these are some of my closest friends. I had two of them apologize to me for being jerks about not wanting to play (the two who would do it "for my sake") but the one who threatened to sit it out hasn't said boo yet.
Tomorrow's game night. We shall see what happens then.
No one was interested. I actually had players willing to take a few weeks off game rather than "go backwards" from 3e.
So I boxed up my BFRPG stuff for now, and intend that ONE DAY I shall run my BFRPG game; probably not with those losers.
Eek! I'm hard-pressed to think of anything ruder than this, I suppose none of them ever put in the time to prep a game...
It'd be one thing to try it out for a couple of sessions and *then* vote on continuing or not. Good luck finding some more considerate players in the future.
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Two more: Warriors and Warlocks --it's not necessary, but it's a pretty great as sourcebooks go.
Two weeks ago I ran the 1st session of my old World of CITY 3e campaign converted to M&M/W&W. This was a 13th level 3e game w/4 full-progression spellcasters. It went swimmingly. So much easier to prep for/run that 3e.
M&M isn't a rules-lite game be any means. But it's a whole lot more transparent that 3e, not to mention easier to customize. If your players just can't quit the crunch, check it out.
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Very lame for you. :< I'm in the same boat, I was running 3.5 for my first time DMing(Which thankfully just died because we couldn't make everyone's schedules work), and sick of it. I wanted to go either 4e or BF, but everyone in my group refuses to play anything but 3.5. 4e 'sucks' (None of them have read the rules), and BF 'doesn't have enough options'(None of them have read the rules for that either). It's ridiculous. :-/
It's perhaps just as well, I'd currently rather be playing, since running 3.5 put me off DMing for now, heh. Drove me nuts. Maybe I should see if I can find a group doing it online.
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Play with the three friends who will "do it for your sake" and then make sure you put extra effort into making the sessions extra awesome. BF is easy to houserule, so if there is something they absolutely loved about 3e, weave that into the BF game. Wow them with the fun and they'll be really glad they played "for your sake"
As for Mister Poopy Pants, I suspect he'll change his mind when hears the others are having a blast playing BF.
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Hang on a moment. Nobody wants to "go backwards" but everyone hates 4E? Do any of these turkeys have the stones to run a game themselves? If the answer is no, then it's time to find new friends.
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