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Wow, for all the complaining and whining about the old distribution system and anything that was even slightly good for skirmishers and now we get a great looking set with the ditribution more what RPG-only people wanted and it has trouble getting three pages of discussion?
That's because people love to complain. Consider the silence like a lot of nodding heads at a good speech.
Personally, I'm only going to complain that for the first time in two years, I'm actually going to spend money on miniatures that are not on ebay.
Anyone know if you order a case, would you get each one of the visibles? Also where a good place to order a case in Canada if anyone knows of one, would be great.
- 6 visible huges (6 of 6)
- 6 large rares (6 of 12)
- 6 medium rares (6 of 12)
- 12 commons (12 of 8)
Assuming the miniatures in the case are distributed in the same manner as in previous series, there will be no duplicates of any of the huges or rares in the case. You should also end up with 2 copies of 4 of the commons, and only 1 each of the other 4 commons.
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- 6 visible huges (6 of 6)
- 6 large rares (6 of 12)
- 6 medium rares (6 of 12)
- 12 commons (12 of 8)
Assuming the miniatures in the case are distributed in the same manner as in previous series, there will be no duplicates of any of the huges or rares in the case. You should also end up with 2 copies of 4 of the commons, and only 1 each of the other 4 commons.
Not quite, there are 8 boosters in a case. One case will get you:
- 8 visible huges (8 of 8)
- 8 large rares (8 of 12)
- 8 medium (or small) rares (8 of 12)
- 16 commons (16 of 8)
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Sorry, this is the first I've seen of this thread (I've been a little remis in my ENWorld reading recently), so I apologize for coming into the conversation late.
This set looks really good. There are a few in there that are a little meh, but there are a lot more that are home runs. Mr. Lee, I think your efforts are beginning to pay off. These are really well done. The Dungeon Delves and PHB Heroes were good also but the redo's (although being upfront about them and really not having a choice) kind of lowered the grade for them a bit in my eyes. But this set looks like it could end up being one of the best sets of all the D&D minis sets. Very well done. I'm looking forward to more.
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This stupid bloody set is starting to get on my nerves. Between the creatures, the sculpts, and the distribution, these damned Legendary Evils might have me doing what I said I wouldn't do anymore: spend money on D&D Minis.
CoolStuffInc.com seems to be taking preorders at $100. For comparison, I bought a sealed case of Dangerous Delves from them for $75 plus about $10 shipping.
It's not really a policy. It's just that the change in packaging required 36 PC sculpts for the first two series of Player's Handbook Heroes. Given that production time can be up to one year, and the fact that the already-produced sets didn't have that many PC sculpts, there was a need to use existing molds for some minis in the first two series (four in PHH1, five in PHH2). From here on, we won't see any more repaints.
Up to one year?
Maybe I'm misunderstanding but when did anyone working on the miniature side of things know that dragonborn were gong to be a core race?
Unless this preview is completely off, there is one dragonborn and it's another warrior based dragonborn. If anything was going to be repainted, perhaps... you know, the dragonborn in previous sets that were also rare? Maybe?
In the new set, there are more warforged. There are an equal number of gensai and tieflings.
For a company that's trying to push new things in the core book, they've done a terrible job of supporting miniature use for that core race of the dragonborn.
There are a metric crap ton of Dragonborn miniatures. In 3.0, they were Half-Dragon Templated but look the same. The Dragonborn Warlord is a repaint of a very nice Giants of Legend miniature. The Gold Champion from back in Dragoneye is a good figure, etc., etc.
Making a dragonborn mini also requires concept art we're happy with (which we didn't get until late in the process). We also need to get sculpts that look good. If we don't have both of those, it delays the release of dragonborn minis.
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding but when did anyone working on the miniature side of things know that dragonborn were gong to be a core race?
Joe, I'm not sure what you're asking. Can you rephrase?
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Unless this preview is completely off, there is one dragonborn and it's another warrior based dragonborn. If anything was going to be repainted, perhaps... you know, the dragonborn in previous sets that were also rare? Maybe?
Again, I'm not sure I understand your meaning entirely, but it makes sense to me to offer up an older sculpt that is harder to get, rather than something produced more recently.
Joe, I'm not sure what you're asking. Can you rephrase?
At what point in the development of the D&D 4e core rules did they know what Dragonborn were going to be a core race? If we assume that 4e was in the works for at least two years, I find it hard to believe that they were 'snuck' into the book at the last minute. This is especially true when the art preview book that came out many months before the actually rules had them in it. If the lead time is a year, I'm thinking, that there has to be some point where the D&D game, well out after a year now, has an unnatural shortage of a core race.
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Again, I'm not sure I understand your meaning entirely, but it makes sense to me to offer up an older sculpt that is harder to get, rather than something produced more recently.
That with the dearth of Dragonborn miniatures, instead of some of these odd choices, if they are correct, like combat medic I believe one of them is (human?) that more effort should have been put into making the dragonborn random miniatures into regular non-collectible miniatures.
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Originally Posted by Herschel
The Dragonborn Warlord is a repaint of a very nice Giants of Legend miniature.
Which one? I'm looking over the Giants of Legend and don't see it. Any help on that one? War of the Dragon Queen has a Dragonborn. Look pretty similiar. If so I'll give a thumbs up on that selection as it's the only 1 of 18 figures that's a dragonborn. I'll disagree with the other figures being anyother other than a proxy.
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Originally Posted by WotC_Logan
Making a dragonborn mini also requires concept art we're happy with (which we didn't get until late in the process). We also need to get sculpts that look good. If we don't have both of those, it delays the release of dragonborn minis.
Logan, thanks for responding. The only 'thing' I'd hold against this is that there have been dozens of wretched figures that have made their way out where the sculpts could not have looked good. The dwarf guard of mithral hall is a fairly recent example of that. Not only is it not a good sculpt, it's completely out of scale with most other dwarves. The grillion that's squatting down is an example of a sculpt people were satisfied with from the Demonweb set? I'm just not seeing this quality control on even recent releases.
If we're talking about a race, like dwarves, elves, even halflings, that have a lot of coverage that you'd want to shut down an inferior model but with one where you don't have anything resembling solid coverage? Let those puppies through.
To say that there is not solid concept art, when WoTC was charging people for preview books that seemed that it could easily do dual roles as concept art? Or the art in the Player's Handbook, Forgotten Realms core book, etc.. .etc... etc... One quick example, on page 54 of the adventurer's vault, which came out in Sept 2008 (and who knows when the art was first commissioned), there is a great picture of a female dragonborn spellcaster. Another example, Uune 2008, Player's Handbook, page 294. Great picture of a dragonborn charging. Unless the miniature department is completely isoldated from the RPG department, which I suppose is possible, that makes very little sense that there would be no art worthy of putting into sculpt.
Or that the sculpts were bad? Maybe it is the better move to make no dragonborn as opposed to bad dragonborn but based on some of the figs still coming out in this last set, my opinion as a buyer who has two seperate players at the moment with Dragonborn, neither of them a female rogue, I'd say no.
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