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Old 24th June 2009, 06:42 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Here's my prediction for the Psion-

There will be at least three more psionic classes. These classes will take the material from the 3e psion, the psionic warrior, and a bunch of psionic PRCs, mix them together and redivide the material by role. Since the psion was copied from the 3e wizard, it will have a lot of changes much like the wizard itself.

This will drive people insane.
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Old 24th June 2009, 06:55 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I expect 5 psionic classes. Two melee (monk/soulknife) and one of each other role, with the controller being a psion with telepath and kineticist builts. I hope part of the unique mechanic for at least telepathic powers is contact which was very flavorful (if horribly broken) as a mechanic. I think the total discipline of the monk will be a feature of all psionic classes.
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Old 24th June 2009, 07:13 PM   #23 (permalink)
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This will drive people insane.
This is bound to happen, no matter what the Psion looks like.

I seem to recall that, waaaaay back when 4e was in the preview stage, they mentioned that Wizards lost a lot of their mind effecting powers to give Psions some niche protection.
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Old 24th June 2009, 07:59 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I'm still very new to 4E so pardon my dumb questions and stupid comments. Where exactly did WotC state that the psion is coming next month? Dragon magazine I assume? Is it as part of a article as a playtest version or is it in a published supplement (PHB3)?

I'm a long time fan of psionics. Never quite understood people's problem with the class or system as far as flavor is concerned (the first time I ever heard of psionics was in my 1st edition PHB so to me it's always been a part of the game and as appropriate as any D&D trope). I've also never understood peoples inclination to immediately think Monks = psionics (In my mind one is a martial artist the other is not). All of which is neither here nor there; I'm just stating my biases.

I'm not all that familiar with with the 4E categories so I don't know how they would fit in the leader/striker etc roles but I'd like to see the Psion, Psychic Warrior and Psychic Rogue (from an old WotC website article) make the classes. No idea who could fill the leader role although one could make a case for the Psychic Warrior making a good candidate instead of defender. The soulknife is the class that never did anything for me at all. He creates his own weapon. Wooptie do. Definitely an addon at best for the psywar IMO.

Can't wait to see it.
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Dragon magazine I assume? Is it as part of a article as a playtest version or is it in a published supplement (PHB3)?
PHB3 preview as part of DDi. Supposedly, full on class writeup.
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I think the soulknife would do well to kill the lurk and psychic rogue and take their stuff.
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PHB3 preview as part of DDi. Supposedly, full on class writeup.
Not a full writeup I think. I think it's only going to be one build, like the Barbarian, Artificer, or Monk. Could be wrong though.
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Not a full writeup I think. I think it's only going to be one build, like the Barbarian, Artificer, or Monk. Could be wrong though.
I'm not sure if the Psion is part of it, but it was announced that a sizable portion of PHB3 would be released in advance through DDI.
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I'm not sure if the Psion is part of it, but it was announced that a sizable portion of PHB3 would be released in advance through DDI.
The Psion is part of that - I just don't know if they meant the full class or not even then.

Personally, I'm hoping one of those "sizable portions" is the full Githyanki write-up, plus racial feats, or at least the Githzerai.
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Personally, I'm hoping one of those "sizable portions" is the full Githyanki write-up, plus racial feats, or at least the Githzerai.
Now would be a good time for the githyanki writeup give their appearance in the latest Dungeon adventure path. We so need these two races as PC classes...
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Personally, I'm hoping one of those "sizable portions" is the full Githyanki write-up, plus racial feats, or at least the Githzerai.
Same but for the Elan (they better be in PHB3). Also, I wouldn't mind random list of feats. Since it is a ways off to PHB3 coming out so having some feats that are based around the excerpts we are getting be nice (or be in the articles for each thing itself).
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How do you know what the vast, vast majority of people wants?

I'm reasonably confident, that the vast majority of people who like 4E like the fact that they do not have completely different mechanics for every class, quite specifically.
Well, I'd ask, do the vast majority of people who like 4e like psionics?

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I expect it to be reasonably balanced (for the first time).
Man 3.5 had psionics balanced perfectly. Heck, the Psionic Warrior was classified as the perfect "middle tier" class, one that was neither too underpowered, or too overpowered, and was noticed as a class that a newbie could play and reasonably enjoy a do well, while an experience player could get in and do wonders.

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some feats that are based around the excerpts we are getting be nice (or be in the articles for each thing itself).
I wouldn't have minded a few Monk feats in the article...
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Well, I'd ask, do the vast majority of people who like 4e like psionics?
That's a good question. I don't think, that one excludes the other, though.

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I think the soulknife would do well to kill the lurk and psychic rogue and take their stuff.
Kind of my thoughts of how it'll end up, the lurk would get absorbed into the soulknife, because the soulknife is too cool of a concept to give up on.

After all, I really want there to be a soulknife with powers such as throwing their mindblade and have it multiply into a shower of mindblades, or having one float around and striking and parrying all adjacent enemies for an attack, or draining an opponent's strength with your mindblade, and so many other neat mindblade tricks.

And when you think back to the fact that most of the Lurk's special abilities were, do something special with a sneak attack. I can see most of those abilities becoming soulknife powers.
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I think there would be no correlation.

I am sure that most people that like 4E like new classes.
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Same but for the Elan (they better be in PHB3). Also, I wouldn't mind random list of feats. Since it is a ways off to PHB3 coming out so having some feats that are based around the excerpts we are getting be nice (or be in the articles for each thing itself).
You know, I think it'd be cool to have them be like the Revenants, having some ties left over from their previous race, since Elan weren't born, but created (IIRC).
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