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I don't understand the complaints - or rather, I understand them, but don't regard them as valid. It's not that unusual to charge a premium for getting access to something earlier than the other kids. You can pay more to get the product sooner, or pay less (or nothing you wouldn't have been paying anyway) to get them later, whichever seems more reasonable to you. The way I see it everyone wins.
Including Morrus. Assuming ENP follows the pattern we've been told many times WotC follows, where most products sell nearly all they're ever going to within three months of release, this is if anything a way to get extra revenue out of something that would otherwise have been largely inert as a revenue source.
Incidentally, I say this as someone who paid for the entire 3.5 version, albeit mostly at the $1 price.
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As someone who just last week re-upped his CS account after an extended absence, I'm almost feeling a little guilty.
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Mainly, there's a heaping load more color interior art in the 4E version (tactical maps, primarily, but also some illustrations).
Are these maps and illos extractible with a simple Adobe Reader? One of the reasons I gave up Pathfinder was that their was not. I like to print illustrations as handouts and I have a b24 inch printer to print battlemaps, but having to do so from screenshots is a lot of added work.
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Are these maps and illos extractible with a simple Adobe Reader? One of the reasons I gave up Pathfinder was that their was not. I like to print illustrations as handouts and I have a b24 inch printer to print battlemaps, but having to do so from screenshots is a lot of added work.
If you check the WotBS web page, battlemaps are available as a free download/web-enhancement for every single adventure.
I think this is a great deal for subscribers and I really would like to support you and your site, so I ask the following question again, as I've unfortunately didn't got a response from you in another thread.
Is there any chance to change the payment method via paypal so that it doesn't require one to have a credit card? I had a subsrciption earlier this year, with the old model for 3 month, and there was no need to have one back then. Now, paypal always requires me to add a credit card which I don't have...
Hope that's somehow possible, as I want to help but can't as it is right now.
Is there any chance to change the payment method via paypal so that it doesn't require one to have a credit card? I had a subsrciption earlier this year, with the old model for 3 month, and there was no need to have one back then. Now, paypal always requires me to add a credit card which I don't have...
I suspect that since it's a recurring subscription PayPal wants a funding source of some kind, as opposed to a one-off purchase.
The only way I could do that is create a one-off $3 purchase which you'd have to manually renew every single month. I'm averse to doing that, though, because I don't want to encourage people to pay $3, download all the content (which is worth a lot of money) and then not renew it the next month.
How about setting up 12,18,24 and 36 month "subscriptions" at PayPal where you pay up for an entire year or more for those who don't have credit cards? That way, you know you get atleast XX$ from a person, even if he or she doesn't renew after a year?
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How about setting up 12,18,24 and 36 month "subscriptions" at PayPal where you pay up for an entire year or more for those who don't have credit cards? That way, you know you get atleast XX$ from a person, even if he or she doesn't renew after a year?
That's exactly what I just stopped doing when I moved to the monthly.
It plays absolutely havoc with cashflow, and if the option is there everybody would likely choose it.
EN World's prime need right now is a solid regular monthly revenue stream. In fact, it's imperative to its continuation that it develops one.
I'll investigate some of the other payment processors out there. PayPal may be the big kid on the block, but it's not the only kid.
Are these maps and illos extractible with a simple Adobe Reader? One of the reasons I gave up Pathfinder was that their was not. I like to print illustrations as handouts and I have a b24 inch printer to print battlemaps, but having to do so from screenshots is a lot of added work.
There should be no [EDIT] computer-based, technical [/EDIT] restrictions on copying [EDIT] the illustrations [/EDIT] from the PDF.
Tested with Adobe Reader 9.2.0, and it works fine for me.
That's exactly what I just stopped doing when I moved to the monthly.
It plays absolutely havoc with cashflow, and if the option is there everybody would likely choose it.
EN World's prime need right now is a solid regular monthly revenue stream. In fact, it's imperative to its continuation that it develops one.
I'll investigate some of the other payment processors out there. PayPal may be the big kid on the block, but it's not the only kid.
Yeah, I was thinking of doing a 1 year subscription rather than per month, because:
1) If I understand correctly, I can get all of 3E WotBS right away, which means logically there's no reason to pay for longer. However....
2) I'd feel dirty gaming things like that, so I'd at least like to get a 1 year subsciption out of guilt. But...
3) I'm really lazy. I don't want to have to renew my subscription each month. On the other hand, I also don't want the money automatically withdrawn each month until I say "STOP!" I'd really rather just buy it all in one big chunk and be done.
That said, if it can't be done, it's only a small inconvenience, I don't mind that much having to renew each month.
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That's exactly what I just stopped doing when I moved to the monthly.
It plays absolutely havoc with cashflow, and if the option is there everybody would likely choose it.
EN World's prime need right now is a solid regular monthly revenue stream. In fact, it's imperative to its continuation that it develops one.
I'll investigate some of the other payment processors out there. PayPal may be the big kid on the block, but it's not the only kid.
It seems like you'd want to have both options -- you don't really want to turn down folks' cash, do you? -- but just create extra incentives for the monthly subscription.
I say this as someone who, for example, supports public radio with yearly donations, but doesn't like the monthly subscription model, though I realize which is better from your perspective.
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Yeah, I was thinking of doing a 1 year subscription rather than per month, because:
1) If I understand correctly, I can get all of 3E WotBS right away, which means logically there's no reason to pay for longer. However....
No, no. Only the first adventure is currently available on the subscription. They're being (re)-released gradually at the same time as the 4E versions.
It seems like you'd want to have both options -- you don't really want to turn down folks' cash, do you? -- but just create extra incentives for the monthly subscription.
I can't think of anything left to give folks as an incentive! The subscription contains pretty much everything I have.
I can't think of anything left to give folks as an incentive! The subscription contains pretty much everything I have.
No, I meant incentives for the monthly subscriptions (as you are doing), but not as many for folks that want to pay, for example, in one-year blocks. That way everyone can contribute at their comfort level, but if one wants all the perks, they have to go monthly. I'll again bring up the public radio model here (it's on my mind since they are currently doing their membership drive, another idea) where there are different perks for different levels and schedules of contribution.
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No, no. Only the first adventure is currently available on the subscription. They're being (re)-released gradually at the same time as the 4E versions.
Oh. Ok, as long as I have it all by the end of one year. Any longer than that would be excessive.
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The 3.5 version if The Scouring of Gate Pass was released three years ago. Subscriber got a three-year advantage!
For the RPGNow 4E subscribers, I am happy to "convert" the original sub to a community supporter sub of equivalent value, but you'll be six months or so behind the RPGNow releases that way and at an equivalent rate you wouldn't end up with all 12 adventures that way since the equivalent sub here wouldn't last long enough.
So RPGNow subscribers got very good value. But if they honestly feel that this is a better deal, I'm happy to convert the purchase price of the rpgnow sub to an equivalent value EN World account. It's completely your choice!
I'd like to take you up on that offer. I was already a Community Supporter, and when the appeal to support EN World went out, I specifically dropped $50 on subscribing to the WotBS 4e series, thinking that it'd be a good way to support the site, and that I may run the series for my group next year sometime.
Now, three weeks later, it's being offered at no additional cost to the CS account I already had.
I'm happy to support the site, but - like mach1.9pants - I feel a bit taken advantage of, and would rather convert the rest of my WotBS sub to a CS extension if the WotBS is to be released in this manner.
If it matters, I subbed to WotBS through EN World itself and not RPGNow.
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I'm happy to support the site, but - like mach1.9pants - I feel a bit taken advantage of, and would rather convert the rest of my WotBS sub to a CS extension if the WotBS is to be released in this manner.
If it matters, I subbed to WotBS through EN World itself and not RPGNow.
Not a problem! I'll switch it over to the CS version for you. I've extended your subscription by 14 months.
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