SW Saga Stat the Iconics

[Remus Lupin]

Over on the Rebellion Era Sourcebook tread, there is some discussion of the usefulness of having stats for the main characters in the OT in the guidebook (as it stands, they're not there). But I'm interested to know how people would stat them up on their own, using the Saga Edition sourcebooks.

So, a few ground rules:

1) You can use any sourcebook currently in print for the Saga edition.
2) The character must adhere as closely as possible to their canonical representation in the movies
3) You can provide multiple sets of stats to represent changes from movie to movie, but be clear which stats go with which movie.
4) Characters are limited to the OT for this exercise (not the EU or prequel trilogy), but any and all named characters are up for grabs.

GO!

[ValhallaGH]

Why not just use the stat blocks found in the core rule book?

[drothgery]

Well, I think the point was to provide snapshots at different times than the core rulebooks did, and to incorporate material from later rulebooks. The original trilogy characters statted in the core book are

Boba Fett and Anakin/Vader as of Episode IV
Palpatine, Obi-Wan, and Yoda as of Episode III
Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, Lando, R2-D2 and C-3PO as of Epsiode VI

[Remus Lupin]

Plus, I'm interested to see what people come up with, when they've got the whole array of books in front of them. This stems from a discussion on the Rebellion Era Sourcebook thread about whether such stats are really useful. I'm just interested in seeing what YOUR Han, or Leia, or Luke might look like.

[ValhallaGH]

Originally Posted by Remus Lupin

Plus, I'm interested to see what people come up with, when they've got the whole array of books in front of them. This stems from a discussion on the Rebellion Era Sourcebook thread about whether such stats are really useful. I'm just interested in seeing what YOUR Han, or Leia, or Luke might look like.

They're only useful if you want your players to kill / get killed the plot-protected movie characters.

Old Game Master truism: "It has stats. They can kill it."

If I needed any of those characters, then I'd pull numbers out of my head (Attack bonus, damage, defenses, needed skills) and wait until I got to a point in the story where a death might be meaningful.
If the character was an ally, then I'd roll a couple dice and declare how many stormtroopers / thugs / bounty hunters they killed that round. And all they would do would be to help out some in fights.
If the character was an enemy, I'd either have some arbitrary threshold of damage before the NPC "dies" or I'd wait until something cool happened and then get them off stage.

You bring in Darth Vader for story advancement and to give a sense of threat. Not so your players can Destiny-Point-critical him into chopped liver.

Have fun.

[pawsplay]

Fear of loss is the path to the Dark Side. I would discourage players from killing Vader, but if they are hell bent on it, I certainly won't have a better game by arbitrarily preventing them from doing so.

[ValhallaGH]

Originally Posted by pawsplay

Fear of loss is the path to the Dark Side. I would discourage players from killing Vader, but if they are hell bent on it, I certainly won't have a better game by arbitrarily preventing them from doing so.

You're very likely correct, that it won't be much fun. You're absolutely correct if it feels arbitrary when it goes down.

I'm just saying that having stats for the movie characters implies that you're going to use them like any other NPC. And, like any other NPC, the party has the option of trying to (and potentially succeeding to) kill a character central to the Star Wars plot line.
If you, and your group, are comfortable going that route then have fun. But if you're not willing to unmake Episodes 4-6, or it would shatter your players' ability to enjoy the setting, then making those central characters killable is a very bad idea. Ideally, they would be busy doing their thing "off-screen" while the players have the limelight for their own adventures.

[TarionzCousin]

Gandalf was a first-level wizard.






... what?

[pawsplay]

Originally Posted by ValhallaGH

If you, and your group, are comfortable going that route then have fun. But if you're not willing to unmake Episodes 4-6, or it would shatter your players' ability to enjoy the setting, then making those central characters killable is a very bad idea. Ideally, they would be busy doing their thing "off-screen" while the players have the limelight for their own adventures.

I disagree. Statting them is necessary. If you don't wish to make those central characters killable, the important thing is not to use them.

[JediJake]

Well...I know this isn't what you asked for OP but its been bothering me enough to do something about it when I saw this thread, Jedi Academy Manual has stats for some of my favorite characters...but none of them look right to me. Not to threadjack or anything but I decided to remake Kyle Katarn as Mace Windu to Luke's Yoda or Vader to the Emperor.

Kyle Katarn Jedi Battlemaster
Medium Human Soldier 8/Scout 1/Elite Trooper 7/Jedi Knight 2/Jedi Master 1
Destiny 3*: Force 16: Dark Side 5
Init +11 Senses Perception +18
Languages Basic Rodian, Gamorrean, Shriiwook
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Defenses Ref 39(w/Flurry 34) Fort 43 Will 36 Block/Deflect
HP 223 Threshold 43
Immune Fear Effects, DR 3 or 13, SR 20
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Speed 8
Melee Lightsaber +26 (+28) {2d10+28x3} +10 on a miss
Melee Lightsaber +25/+25 (2d10+28x3) with Double Attack
Melee Lightsaber +20/+20/+20 (2d10+28x3) with Triple Attack
Melee Lightsaber +24 (3d10+28x3) with Rapid Strike
Ranged Bryar Pistol +22 (3d6+9)
Ranged Bryar Pistol +17 (3d6+19) with Power Blast and Beam Splitter*
Ranged Thermal Detonater +20 (8d6+9)
Base Attack +18: Grapple +23
Attack Options: Double Attack, Triple Attack, Rapid Strike, Wicked Strike, Strong Style*, Flurry, Melee Smash, Unrelenting Assault, Power Attack, Power Blast
Special Actions: Shake It Off, Serenity
Force Powers Known (UtF +19): Lightning, Grip, Rebuke, Move Object, Fluid Riposte, Falling Avalanche, Saber Swarm, Swift Flank, Sarlac Sweep, Vital Transfer
Force Secret: Devastating Force
Force Technique: Force Point Recovery
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Abilities Str 20, Dex 14, Con 20, Int 15, Wis 18, Cha 12
Talents Block/Deflect, Juggernaut, Improved Armored Defense, Multiattack Proficiency Lightsaberx2, Melee Smash, Unrelenting Assault, Longstride, Strong Style(x.5 Str to dam on attack rolls, use Str mod for UtF checks)
Exotic Weapon Mastery
Feats: Armor Proficiency (Light, Med), Double Attack, Triple Attack, Triple Critical, Martial Arts I(Increases damage die for all melee attacks), Shake It Off, Power Attack, Power Blast, Rapid Strike, Wicked Strike, Force Sensitive, Force Training x2
Skills UtF +19 Athletics +19 Endurance +19, Pilot +16, Perception +18, Treat Injury +18, Untrained Stealth +11, Use Computer +11, Persuasion +10, Initiative +11
Possessions Bryar Pistol (Superior Accuracy +2 Attack, Is "Accurate" No Penalties at Medium Range, Stripped of Stun, Gained Beam Splitter as a swift action at will) Lightsaber (Superior Accuracy, Krayt Dragon Pearl Focus Crystal which he ripped out with his bear hands after killing it with his fists!!) Weave Armor (Superior Fortitude, only reason I can think that he would wear that ugly shirt ALL the time is cause its not a shirt) Rechargable Shield Generator SR 20 (Runs on standard power cells, that he just finds lying around) The Ravens Claw see below
Completed the Destinies Destruction(Dark Trooper) Discovery(Valley of the Jedi) and Rescue(Jan Ors) though this one sometimes the gm hides from him


The Ravens Claw* heavily Modified Surrionion Conqueror
Colossal space transport
Init +as character

Defenses I forget how to calculate these as a character piloting so your on your own.

HP 180 DR 15 SR 60; Threshold 76

Speed 8 (starship scale)
Ranged +? Fire linked heavy laser cannons (pilot or gunner) 9d10x2
Ranged +? Heavy Concussion Missile Launcher 9d10x5 three missiles
Abilities Str 42 Dex 22 Con - Int 16
Sensor Masking
Notes This ship is made out of guns and engines designed to get a one man army on the ground. Normally piloted by Jan Ors level 14 scoundrel with tech specialist for ships and weapons.

Anyhow I figure that being mentioned as an elite trooper in the notables and having a long history of ass kickery and no real jedi training that he wasa a self taught elite trooper whose Exotic Weapon Mastery Talent worked for just light sabers and heavy weapons.

Took me far longer than I meant for it to take getting it made. Lemme know what you think. Enjoy!

Jake

[ValhallaGH]

Originally Posted by pawsplay

I disagree. Statting them is necessary. If you don't wish to make those central characters killable, the important thing is not to use them.

Point of order, you just agreed with the last sentence you quoted. At least partially.

... Since we seem to be talking around each other rather than to each other, I'll be moving on.