(LEW) Natural Talent

[Solange]

Natural Talent [General]
A particular skill just comes naturaly to you.
Benefit: Choose one skill when you take this feat. You gain a +2 bonus to the skill, and the skill costs 1 point per rank to purchase, regardless what type of skill it is for your current class. Rank limits for class or cross class skills still apply, and this does not make the skill a class skill. Previously spent skill points are not refunded.
Normal: Buying a cross class skill cost 2 skill point per rank.
Special: This feat may be taken multiple times, each time applying to a different skill.
-Created by Bront, With help from Icycool

Is there anything WoTC published that is close to this that can be used instead?

Also, is there a chance I can change one of my current character's feat? As I've been playing Koh'Tara, it makes more sense for her than Point Blank Shot which she hasn't used yet (I'd only change out the feat for now, and deal with skill points as I advance).

[Bront]

I'm obviously not opposed to this, not sure if there is anything similar in WoTC stuff.

[Rystil Arden]

There is. There's a RoD feat that gives you all cross-class skills for 1 point per (lower cap still applies). No +2 though.

[Bront]

That's only to humans and Changelings though, not the same I would think.

[stonegod]

Able Learning gives all cross class skills the 1 per 1 bump. Some others give certain skills as class skills. This essentially gives a cross-class skill the same *value* as a class skill, though it has less *ranks*.

I'm fine with it.

[Solange]

what other skills give a skill as a class skill that a hobgoblin could take?

Koh'Tara needs Sense Motive, it just fits the character.

[Solange]

Anyone?

[Bront]

I'd vote yes, but I'm not sure I can since I technicaly wrote it...

[Patlin]

This isn't nearly as broken as Able Learner, I vote YES.

[Bront]

YES if I can vote

[Solange]

Can I bump this? I was hoping to change the feat on my character soon

(Changing Point Blank Shot on Koh'Tara to Natural Talent: Sense Motive, but no other change)

[Wik]

I'm gonna go with Sure, I mean YES on this one. It seems like it should be fine - PCs taking skills outside of their class should be more or less fine. Since it doesn't let anything be a class skill - yeah, it'll work.

[Bront]

I THINK it passes then... unless RA or Stonegod object...

[stonegod]

I don't object, but I won't auto vote it in to give RA a choice to veto.

[Rystil Arden]

I don't object to the rules text of this feat. However, we need to be careful about the precedent of allowing things that are purely player-created and not just a simple twist on something WotC, just because player things are going to possibly interact weirdly with WotC things and cause me to have to ban new WotC things because of this. With Natural Talent, I think we made a feat so airtight that this won't happen, but in 90% of cases, I'm going to have to shoot down new material that is not just a simple twist on a WotC thing for LEB.

I'm not going to vote yes due to that precedent and possible cries of later people of 'unfair' when I vote theirs down, but I won't vote no either.

[Bront]

Cool, and understood.

And yes, I like Natural Talent because it is fairly airtight, yet usable in many situations, from characters who have a skill as a class skill but not as a current class skill, to characters that want to add some tallen to a skill that's normaly cross class (which is painfull with a double cost and half max limit).

[Solange]

I swaped out Point Blank Shot for this feat for Koh'Tara, as it just made more sense for my Spirit Shamen. No other changes.

Is that ok? (I hadn't used Point Blank Shot yet)

[Patlin]

I believe this has now passed. Which is to say, I believe Bront's vote is valid and the third yes was more than 48 hours ago.

[Bront]

Originally Posted by Patlin

I believe this has now passed. Which is to say, I believe Bront's vote is valid and the third yes was more than 48 hours ago.

I'll agree with that. I'll archive this and put it in the Rules.