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Old 16th July 2006, 09:12 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Nullify (Affects Objects)

This proposal deals with a modifier for the Nullify Power. This modifier allows the power to work on inanimate objects

Affects Objects +1 (the effect works on objects as well as creatures)

A Possible Flaw: Only Affects Objects –1

Objects don't make Will saves, so use the opposed power rank check instead, using the item's highest rank.

Also note that some equipment won't "restart" on its own: it'll need repair, resetting, or at least someone to hit the "on" switch again. (This is just a descriptor and part of the limitations of equipment.)
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Old 16th July 2006, 09:23 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Seems pretty reasonable.
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Old 17th July 2006, 03:23 PM   #3 (permalink)
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It seems fine with me too.
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Old 29th July 2006, 11:56 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I think we had enough time to discuss it. I see no problem with it. So YES.
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Old 30th July 2006, 04:32 PM   #5 (permalink)
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YES

Just need Keia to chime in
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Old 17th September 2006, 09:47 PM   #6 (permalink)
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This would be a 2 point version of Nullify: all effects of a Particular Descriptor (Equipment/Devices) with a Sustained duration with the descriptor that the equipment has to be repaired rather than making further saving throws.

As per Author Steve Kenson
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Old 17th September 2006, 10:06 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I was just going to suggest this gets added to the approved content thread. Bront and I might need to change some of my stats based on this. I also based it off of a reply by Kenson to one of my questions. Character generation isn't neccesarily my strong point. Since Kenson didn't say anything about it, but mentioned the duration i didn't think it would cost anything extra.
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Here is the Kenson answer to my nullify question http://www.atomicthinktank.com/view...p=262858#262858

FWIW, I do use Nullify for just the sort of thing you're talking about, the modifiers involved pretty much come out in the wash:

Affects Objects +1 (detailed in Ultimate Power, but basically means the effect works on objects as well as creatures)
Only Affects Objects –1 (so net +0 modifier)

Objects don't make Will saves, so use the opposed power rank check instead, using the item's highest rank.

Also note that some equipment won't "restart" on its own: it'll need repair, resetting, or at least someone to hit the "on" switch again. (This is just a descriptor and part of the limitations of equipment.)

So Nullify (Equipment Type) such as "Nullify Electronics" is what you're looking for, IMHO.
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Old 17th September 2006, 10:34 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Heh...I am looking at Nullify in UP it doesnt have affect objects.

But basically Steve is saying the same thing in both posts;

Nullify (2 point version all powers of a particular descriptor, in this case Equipment/Devices)
Sustained if you want to guarantee it needs to be repaired.
Equipment due to its inherent limits may need to be repaired anyway
Alternate Save is a +0 bonus...So no biggie there!

I suppose a 1 point version could be taken but you could only nullify one aspect of the device at a time.


BTW the link seems broken to that post.

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Old 17th September 2006, 11:02 PM   #9 (permalink)
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It was built as a two pointer. I guess my original idea was that guns would jam, but could be fixed. I wasn't looking for him to be able to do something like take out Dr. Null's walker, but affect lesser devices. Gremlin's basically a fighter who has one simple gimmick. i guess it's up to the GM to decide how long the machine is out of commission.
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Old 17th September 2006, 11:16 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Well Devices wouldnt need to be repaired without an increase in duration, the user could re-activate it normally. At least by RAW. But if you were jamming a gun or a scrambling a computer (equipment) I'd probably just have it stay broken until fixed.
Of course rule of one states the GM pretty much rules rules how s/he wants anyway.

Dr. Null's tripod would probably high opposed check I am sure.
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Old 18th September 2006, 12:11 AM   #11 (permalink)
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CPU, one of my character, have that power, so he can nullify all electronic object by draining there power, irtually shutting them down... I have build that power on a 3PP/rank power base, with the +1 extra and -1 flaw that was approved. Reading it, it make sense it could be a 2PP base Nullify... well, only thing that bug me, it is that I had to approve it to use it, which but me in conflict with that proposal... so only Bront have no interess in that power, but he has voted Yes.
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Old 18th September 2006, 12:14 AM   #12 (permalink)
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sounds like you are a judge shy? I am sure characters can be re-tooled and reapproved as our understanding of the rules grows.
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Old 18th September 2006, 12:30 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Let's just say I am in no hurry, as that power is not usable, since I have the illusion device in the array instead for this mission. It will gives the time for this discussion to end before I need to make the change.
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Old 19th September 2006, 02:52 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Wanted to button this up. As I read it, this is OK approved content for this use of nullify (2 of possible 3 yes votes). Velmont might have to tweak CPU for the duration effect. If that is correct could we put it in the approved content and archive this thread.
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Old 24th September 2006, 12:07 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Equipment and Devices are a recognized Descriptor.

The Nullify Power with Extras Affects Objects and Flaw Only Affects Objects seems unneeded and just a longhanded way of stating Nullify (Objects).

I agree that Equipment has inherent limitations and if Nullified may need to be repaired somehow.

I suggest if one wants to affect Devices similarily that they Buy a Sustained Duration and Use the Houserule Author Steve Kenson suggested.
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Old 8th April 2007, 01:08 AM   #16 (permalink)
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What's up with this one? I proposed it so I can't vote, BUT it affects one of my characters so I'd like to see it resolved.
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Old 8th April 2007, 07:36 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Heh! I think this may have been proposed before I was a Judge.

Well I still believe that this is covered by the Rules already. How does the Extra and the possible flaw differ Mechanically then attributing the Nullify to a particular descriptor? In this case Objects

If it can alreadty be done by RAW I dont see a reason for an Extra Rule.

But if you are looking for a particular effect that can't be covered by RAW by adding this I may change my opinion.
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Old 24th September 2007, 12:31 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Yes

Since H4H's only problem seems to be that you can do this anyway and I have no real problem aproving content which clarifies things which are already legal but obscure.

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All yeses so far, but that is because I am putting the harder ones to the bottom of my list to think about further.
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Old 3rd October 2007, 03:30 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Just to pass it because A) it makes sense and B) you can already do it

YES

that's 4/7-passed
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