Character Retirement/ Points Transfer

Raylis · 14th April 2007, 03:13 AM

Proposal: Character Retirement.

As per Living Supers rules a player may only have 2 active characters, one at PL10 and one at PL8.

There will be a time when a player wants to retire a character in favor of a new idea or for other reasons.

Proposal: When retiring a character, you may keep 1/2 of all PPs spent, and all unspent PPs. A retired character can never become active again, and can now be used as an NPC by any GM as needed.

In the case of Characters retired for rules issues or problems, a LS Judge may approve the transfer of all earned points, on a case-by-case basis.

Stormwind · 14th April 2007, 10:53 AM

I would like to suggest a slight modification to the proposal as follows:

"When a character is retired any Unspent Power Points are to be allotted to the players new character, at the same power level, during character creation."

The reason I suggest this is that when you look at the Character tracking thread, there is currently no consistent format showing the split of awarded PP's. Consider Bront's post for 'Quake your booty' for an example of this (Sorry Bront - I needed an example and your post was the best way to illustrate my point. No offense intended.). Thus unless you institute a required format for mission awards, then it is simply not practical to separate which unspent PP can or can't be used.

It is also my opinion that separating the PP's that may be used is an unnecessarily complex solution and thus I would suggest to either allow all or none of the unspent PP's.

Salix · 14th April 2007, 03:53 PM

I was holding off, but I would get rid of unspent and make it say earned

Edit: We will also need to figure out what to do with GM credits.

Velmont · 14th April 2007, 03:55 PM

If I understand well, let's guess I'm playing a PL10 character for 4 years and I've been in 6 missions. I've gained a total of 60 PP, among them, 48 are from time spent, 12 are from missions succesfull. During my last mission, a short one, I won 5 PP, 4 from time and 1 from mission. Before that last mission, I've spent all my PP gain. If I decide to retire this character, I would let down a PL14 character at 210 PP for a PL10 character with 155 PP. Is that correct?

A would see a bit frustrating, vene if in M&M, starting at lower PP have a lot less impact than starting at lower level in D&D.

Rystil Arden · 14th April 2007, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Velmont

If I understand well, let's guess I'm playing a PL10 character for 4 years and I've been in 6 missions. I've gained a total of 60 PP, among them, 48 are from time spent, 12 are from missions succesfull. During my last mission, a short one, I won 5 PP, 4 from time and 1 from mission. Before that last mission, I've spent all my PP gain. If I decide to retire this character, I would let down a PL14 character at 210 PP for a PL10 character with 155 PP. Is that correct?

A would see a bit frustrating, vene if in M&M, starting at lower PP have a lot less impact than starting at lower level in D&D.

No, I don't think your character ever increases in PL under the LS system--you just get more than the usual PP for PL 10. If there was a PL increase, it would probably be a very special event.

Velmont · 15th April 2007, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Rystil Arden

No, I don't think your character ever increases in PL under the LS system--you just get more than the usual PP for PL 10. If there was a PL increase, it would probably be a very special event.

Oh, it was talked about, but we never really decided how it will happen. We could do +1 PL every 15 PP, but I'm not sure we should do it like that... anyway, that would be for another discussion/proposal.

Salix · 16th April 2007, 02:14 AM

We have a little while before we tackle the PL can of worms.

Bront · 17th April 2007, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Velmont

Oh, it was talked about, but we never really decided how it will happen. We could do +1 PL every 15 PP, but I'm not sure we should do it like that... anyway, that would be for another discussion/proposal.

I'm more in favor of stretching it out a bit, to, say, 30 PPs earned to increase PL by 1. But that's neither here nor there.

I propose:
When retiring a character, you may keep 1/2 of all PPs spent, and all unspent PPs. A retired character can never become active again, and can now be used as an NPC by any GM as needed.

It can't be all PPs, because, well, you'd have people bouncing in and out of characters way to often for my tastes. 1/2 spent means if you've used them, you can't keep them all, and all unspent allows for someone who gets disillusioned durring a mission to still be rewarded for sticking it out with that character.

Velmont · 17th April 2007, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bront

I'm more in favor of stretching it out a bit, to, say, 30 PPs earned to increase PL by 1. But that's neither here nor there.

I had something similar in mind, but that will be for later...

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Originally Posted by Bront

I propose:
When retiring a character, you may keep 1/2 of all PPs spent, and all unspent PPs. A retired character can never become active again, and can now be used as an NPC by any GM as needed.

It can't be all PPs, because, well, you'd have people bouncing in and out of characters way to often for my tastes. 1/2 spent means if you've used them, you can't keep them all, and all unspent allows for someone who gets disillusioned durring a mission to still be rewarded for sticking it out with that character.

I like that, and I love the underline idea, that an old PC could become an NPC. that could help to do mission like: "We have recently found that CPU was a mole in our organization and was under the command of a terrorism group...."

Salix · 18th April 2007, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Bront

I'm more in favor of stretching it out a bit, to, say, 30 PPs earned to increase PL by 1. But that's neither here nor there..

I thought of this. I think it should be higher than 15, but I thought 30 might take a while to get to. If it is thirty, I don't think that would hurt anything. characters would definitely be forced to become more well rounded.

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Originally Posted by Bront

I propose:
When retiring a character, you may keep 1/2 of all PPs spent, and all unspent PPs. A retired character can never become active again, and can now be used as an NPC by any GM as needed.

It can't be all PPs, because, well, you'd have people bouncing in and out of characters way to often for my tastes. 1/2 spent means if you've used them, you can't keep them all, and all unspent allows for someone who gets disillusioned durring a mission to still be rewarded for sticking it out with that character.

I agree with this. It seems like a good compromise between the two. Raylis, this is your proposal. What do you think?

Bront · 18th April 2007, 08:25 AM

For what it's worth, Erekose13 was allowed to move all his points to a new character when he retired Ghost, but that was more a mechanical nightmare issue with boost.

Stormwind · 18th April 2007, 01:06 PM

For what it's worth, I think the (1/2 spent points + all unspent points) is perfectly reasonable and fair.

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Originally Posted by Bront

For what it's worth, Erekose13 was allowed to move all his points to a new character when he retired Ghost, but that was more a mechanical nightmare issue with boost.

I would suggest adding a note to the bottom of the proposal stating some like:
"In the case of Characters retired for rules issues or problems, a LS Judge may approve the transfer of all earned points, however this will be done on a case-by-case basis."

Bront · 18th April 2007, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Stormwind

For what it's worth, I think the (1/2 spent points + all unspent points) is perfectly reasonable and fair.

I would suggest adding a note to the bottom of the proposal stating some like:
"In the case of Characters retired for rules issues or problems, a LS Judge may approve the transfer of all earned points, however this will be done on a case-by-case basis."

He would have fell under the unspent provision anyway, as it was only 1 adventure, and apparently he was going to retire the character well before he caught wind of the proposal. I don't see that addendum as a problem though.

Salix · 19th April 2007, 01:00 AM

I like the addendum. This is rounding into shape

Raylis · 19th April 2007, 03:35 AM

I like Bront's suggestion, going to edit the original post.

I had it at transfering all Unspent points because I figured any points that were spent to improve the character were just that: spent. The charater has grown and changed and didn't degress when they retired.

Added a "by the character's owner's permission" line in there because it's always good to ask for permission before using someone else's intellectual property

Rystil Arden · 19th April 2007, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Raylis

I like Bront's suggestion, going to edit the original post.

I had it at transfering all Unspent points because I figured any points that were spent to improve the character were just that: spent. The charater has grown and changed and didn't degress when they retired.

Added a "by the character's owner's permission" line in there because it's always good to ask for permission before using someone else's intellectual property

I've never asked for permission when NPCing characters whose player had to quit a game. I don't see why it would be different here, but it doesn't matter much.

Bront · 19th April 2007, 07:21 AM

Yeah, if they get relegated to the ranks of usable for NPC fodder, they're open season, unless a specific request not to has been made. I'd make it on the player to request that excemption not the writers to request permition.

Salix · 19th April 2007, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Bront

Yeah, if they get relegated to the ranks of usable for NPC fodder, they're open season, unless a specific request not to has been made. I'd make it on the player to request that excemption not the writers to request permition.

I agree they need to indicate on the character sheet if they don't want the character available as a NPC

Velmont · 19th April 2007, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Raylis

Proposal: When retiring a character, you may keep 1/2 of all PPs spent, and all unspent PPs. A retired character can never become active again, and can now be used as an NPC by any GM as needed, by permission of the charater's owner.

In the case of Characters retired for rules issues or problems, a LS Judge may approve the transfer of all earned points, on a case-by-case basis.

As it is, I like it. So, I'll vote YES for that. I don't think it will need to be voted to place a notice on a retired player to tells if yes or no it can be use by other LS.