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If you've read Unfinished Tales and the Silmarillion, you've been exposed to the story. However, it's been expanded into book form.
I expect that there have been some alterations/amplifications, too:
I don't really remember the version from my copy of Unfinished Tales mentioning the orcs dismembering human prisoners in front of the army, or impaling women to trees with spears.
I'm halfway through it and I'm finding it enjoyable (although I still prefer LoTR).
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Definitely good, makes me wish there was enough material to do the same for the sotries of The Fall of Gondolin and Beren and Luthien.
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I'm halfway through it and I'm finding it enjoyable (although I still prefer LoTR).
Well LotR is a finished novel, as opposed to CoH, which was cobbled together from multiple separate manuscripts written at different times and not necessarily even building off of each other.
I really regret/bemoan/detest/what-have-you Tolkien's style of working, I think it rob of us of a lot of good and even great work due to his inability to finish much of anything.
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Definitely good, makes me wish there was enough material to do the same for the sotries of The Fall of Gondolin and Beren and Luthien.
Well LotR is a finished novel, as opposed to CoH, which was cobbled together from multiple separate manuscripts written at different times and not necessarily even building off of each other.
I really regret/bemoan/detest/what-have-you Tolkien's style of working, I think it rob of us of a lot of good and even great work due to his inability to finish much of anything.
I agree. I enjoyed The Children of Hurin greatly, but not as much as I enjoy re-reading LOTR. And I do wish there were completed versions of other stories.
Tolkien must have done his writing in fits and starts, much the way I do. I can empathize with him.
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Very tragic in a shakespearian way. Read it while reading a Glen Cook book ... and the styles are completely different to each other.
Was surprised to see how the elfs where kind of petty and naive at times.
Yeah, I'm not sure where the idea came from that Tolkien's elves were noble and perfect. Even in LOTR they're not perfect. Galadriel is kind of scary, and Elrond can come off a bit bigoted against humans.
Actually I found the tragedy of Turin more reminiscent of ancient Greek drama than Shakespeare.
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I think you might be confusing the movie with the books. I never got the feeling Elrond was bigoted against humans.
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Yeah, I'm not sure where the idea came from that Tolkien's elves were noble and perfect. Even in LOTR they're not perfect. Galadriel is kind of scary, and Elrond can come off a bit bigoted against humans.
Well they are superior to Men and they know it. more wise, superior physically. Though Galadriel is a very nice to non-elves in the Fellowship. Elrond wasn't nearly as jerky in the books either. He was a bit too standoff-ish in the movie.
There is also the elves of Mirkwood in the Hobbit who didn't come off too well.
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There is also the elves of Mirkwood in the Hobbit who didn't come off too well.
True. The Silvan elves of Mirkwood are kind of rustic elves who are not nearly as advanced as the Noldor and Sindar so they distrust outsiders very much. Of course they were lead by a Sindar who was a jerk apparently.
I think you might be confusing the movie with the books. I never got the feeling Elrond was bigoted against humans.
I thought about that when I was making that remark, but even in the books he seems to think Men are a "failing" race who are too weak to be trusted. They exaggerated that in the movies, certainly, but I think it was still present in Tolkien's writing.
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I thought about that when I was making that remark, but even in the books he seems to think Men are a "failing" race who are too weak to be trusted. They exaggerated that in the movies, certainly, but I think it was still present in Tolkien's writing.
In the books, it is the elves that are a failing race, and the time of Men is at hand. The Wise, most of all Elrond, know this. He is very melancholy, speaking of fighting the 'long defeat', but he does not seem to lament men's particular weakness more than the elves'. Granted, he does come off as somewhat distant, mythic figure that can lead one to an uncharitable impression of him. But I just don't see the disdain for men that you seem to read into it.
Tolkien must have done his writing in fits and starts, much the way I do. I can empathize with him.
Not just fits and starts, but if he didn't like something he would throw out what ever work he had done and start over completely.
Of course I think quite a bit of this can be chalked up to the fact he wasn't a professional author who was writing for a living, can't help when you're a perfectionist.
Some people seem to forget that the whole brouhaha with Sauron and the Rings of Power was largely the elves fault as well. Tolkien even mentions it in one of his letters, something about "them wanting more cake than they were worth". And let's not forget ol' Feanor with his lusting after the Silmarils he created, which led to whole Doom of Mandos bit along with the Kinslaying.
Yep, the elves are hardly perfect in the world of Middle Earth.
But back on topic, I'm looking forward to reading The Children of Hurin once it comes out in paperback form.
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