Ok but I think there's just TOO many storylines flying around. And I was going to shout at the screen when yet another painter who can see the future pops up.
The false deaths, particularly for Nathan Petrelli, also grated.
Have mixed feelings about the supervillain team but we'll see.
Yeah, the number of prognosticators is about the same as the number of immortals. Namely, way too many. But at least one of them got killed off early on. (The first one in the good ol days of season one. )
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I'm really not sure how this is "fixing" the show. As has been pointed out the show already has too many characters and they just keep piling on more. How can they possibly write a cohesive story line when it takes an hour just to touch base with HALF of them and ignore the other half until the next episode? It feels to me like there's a lot of rushing about - but not much is actually happening. There is a notable absence of tension, probably due in large part to having to deal with so many characters all the time.
Next gripe is that they seem to be overly fond of time travelling and very BAD at making it actually interesting. Is the routine for the remainder of the series going to be:
Go to the future and see something is wrong.
Return to the past and in trying to fix the future actually CAUSE the future to be wrong.
Fix the error in step 2 and goto step 1 in a vain attempt to verify success?
With so many characters their interactions are too frequently haphazard, confused, forced and superficial. I keep watching because I was captivated by these characters in season 1. Season 2 came DANGED close to killing my interest. While the opener for Season 3 is not at all a failure it certainly is NOT as strong as it needed to be. Things had better get kicked up a notch and FAST or I will NOT be watching this show by mid-season. I'll boycott it for being BRILLIANTLY conceived and TOTALLY bungled starting with the end of Season 1.
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I liked it. Then, I didn't completely hate Season 2, either, so take from that what you will.
I think Nikki/Jessica/Tracy is/are the same person. Doesn't explain how she could have gotten in with the governor so quickly...but in a world where super-clandestine organizations have access to folks with mind-control...I suppose anything's possible.
Nikki Sanders is dead. The producers have been VERY clear about this. Nikki has been dead for a lil less than 36 hours at the time we are introduced to the Governor's parmour and confidante, Tracy.
So no - no time to forge that power relationship.
Nikki is dead.
It's not that the producers did not like Ali Larter as an actress on Heroes - they just realized that the charater as written was not working in a long term story arc. The writers took real risks with Nikki since the inception of the show. Some of it paid off initially - but it was not a story arc that transferred well out of the "discovery" stage. Nikki had too much baggage.
Kill her off for real; bring her back in a different form, minus the baggage of DL and split personalities.
So this really wasn't a split personality Nikki in another diguise. Whether this was her natural "twin" (Jessica never died?), or more likely, an outright clone resulting from a Company breeding program, will be revealed later in the season.
But - if Beeman and Tim Kring are to be believed - she isn't Nikki or any split personality of same.
While Micah seems to be staying with the show in some capacity, it does not look good for Monica. Rumour has it she's being written out of the show this season.
Tim Kring needs to keep apologizing after that episode, AFAIC.
Hated it. Made no sense, a huge number of despicable characters and actions, and out-and-out moments of idiocy.
It's only worth watching for Hiro and Ando - everyone else has become annoying gits, and Sylar's continued overexposure is going to help stink up the joint.
I really don't know why you continue to watch the show.
Don't get me wrong; you are perfectly entitled to not like it or criticize it all you like. Take as much from the Hate table as you'd like; fill your boots.
But time after time on these forums, you continue to vent about Sylar as if the reality of the shows fans was something other than what it is.
Look: Zach Quinto has become one of the three principal stars of the show. That may not sit well with you - but it happens to be true. Thinking they are going to somehow make him less of an emphasis when he is so damned popular isn't just misplaced hopes - it's downright delusional.
You don't have to like it; but complaining about it as if your complaint had a reasonable prospect of being satisfied is becoming a little trollish.
Oh, and I am okay with them thinning out Maya's accent (it needed to be to avoid her continual over-emoting from sounding comic) but they needed to find a way in-show to explain it. Teaming her up with Mojinder is a bonus since it cuts the time they use up on screen by half each episode. I am hoping they spend at least half the season handcuffed to one another, or tied up with some dynamite, or sharing a padded cell in Odessa, or etc.
You don't have to like it; but complaining about it as if your complaint had a reasonable prospect of being satisfied is becoming a little trollish.
Not even close. I complain about the show, too. IT has flaws and it is fine to have people in a discussion thread to discuss those flaws and what they don't like about the show.
I think the worst thing the show did to Sylar was show his face and give his backstory. He was cool as the killer of heroes and before he was understood. The show does do characters well which is a shame.
But time after time on these forums, you continue to vent about Sylar as if the reality of the shows fans was something other than what it is.
Look: Zach Quinto has become one of the three principal stars of the show. That may not sit well with you - but it happens to be true. Thinking they are going to somehow make him less of an emphasis when he is so damned popular isn't just misplaced hopes - it's downright delusional.
You don't have to like it; but complaining about it as if your complaint had a reasonable prospect of being satisfied is becoming a little trollish.
Can't speak for anyone other than myself, but the hordes of Zach Quinto fans aren't amassing outside my window, so I don't presume to know what the majority of Heroes fans think of Sylar. You seem to assume everyone is equally in tune with this knowledge of the character's popularity that you claim as factual without citing sources.
Personally, I think the character's serial killer element is played out, and the character needs to do more than show up out of the blue, be all creepy, and open up people's heads. And of course, since he's a villain, there's a natural desire to want to see him answer for his crimes. Maybe they'll pull a Barnabus Collins with him, who knows? But right now, plant me firmly in the "Sylar oughta go" camp. Pardon me if that's somehow trollish.
IMHO, Heroes has a lot of folks complaining about it rather than tuning out completely because they like the premise, they see some seeds of coolness here and there, but on the whole the show lacks cohesiveness. King and his team seem to prefer throwing out lots of ominous foreshadowing through magic paintings, dream sequences, and disjointed trips to the future over actually telling the story they're foreshadowing.
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I disagree with the analysis, but thinking back I think you're on to something. Who were the four in Angela's dream? Niki/Jessica/Tracy, Adam, Knox?, and Maury. My bet is it's Maury, especially given that he's seen Nathan before, and is manipulative. Why else show him in the dream?
I was thinking of him as well, although I think Linderman's alive, and Maury uses his power to conceal his appearance to others. Nathan did magically come back to life somehow. Maybe Adam showed up and gave him some magic blood. Again, the fact that Peter didn't use his magic blood makes little sense, and once characters have stopped behaving rationally, then trying to figure out rational explanations for things that happen is futile.
Again, the fact that Peter didn't use his magic blood makes little sense,
Do we know if Peter's blood retains its healing properties after it has left his body? My impression of Peter's abilities are that he has to actively think about using abilities (with the possible exception of regeneration), which could very well mean that the blood can't heal anyone else the way Adam's and Claire's can.
What bothers me is that anyone would even try to manipulate Sylar at this point. Anyone with the slightest bit of experience with him knows he needs to be put down. Heck, I don't see why the other 'worse than Sylar' guys are alive, either.
What bothers me is that anyone would even try to manipulate Sylar at this point. Anyone with the slightest bit of experience with him knows he needs to be put down. Heck, I don't see why the other 'worse than Sylar' guys are alive, either.
Didn't Ma Patrelli tell Sylar that she was his mother. Now maybe she meant that figuretively, as in she was responsible for the experiments that gave everyone her powers. But there is a chance that she was literal and actually gave birth to him and placed him with his "family" for some reason or another. That could be why she thinks she can manipulate him.
Didn't Ma Patrelli tell Sylar that she was his mother. Now maybe she meant that figuretively, as in she was responsible for the experiments that gave everyone her powers. But there is a chance that she was literal and actually gave birth to him and placed him with his "family" for some reason or another. That could be why she thinks she can manipulate him.
Consider what he did to the woman who raised him (at the very least).
I was thinking of him as well, although I think Linderman's alive, and Maury uses his power to conceal his appearance to others. Nathan did magically come back to life somehow. Maybe Adam showed up and gave him some magic blood. Again, the fact that Peter didn't use his magic blood makes little sense, and once characters have stopped behaving rationally, then trying to figure out rational explanations for things that happen is futile.
Maybe future Peter did use his magic blood and has put Nathan on this new path to distract, inclusive of the Lindemann delusions in case he needs to be discredited for shooting his mouth off again about superpowers. I wonder if Peter also disabled Nathan's power to keep him from proving anything to anyone. I'll bet this tack goes on for a bit, then Nathan spills the beans and tries to proove it only to be locked up as a nutcase, complete with any number of nurses having witnessed his hallucinations.
Didn't Ma Patrelli tell Sylar that she was his mother. Now maybe she meant that figuretively, as in she was responsible for the experiments that gave everyone her powers. But there is a chance that she was literal and actually gave birth to him and placed him with his "family" for some reason or another. That could be why she thinks she can manipulate him.
I think she is just a controlling biotch. She called him Gabriel even after he told her to call him Sylar. I think she knows his past and that he always wanted the approval of his real mother. Real mom got killed because she didn't support him. Ma Patrelli knows how to push peoples buttons and I think she is doing that right now. Her goal is to make herself Sylar's new mother figure. Of course it will probably come back to bite her, maybe even right in the brain .
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It was okay. The stupidest part was them claiming those other escaped villians were worse then Sylar. Most of the characters though have become blah. There is a story being told and the writers don't seem to care if they have characters do dumb things so long as whatever their story becomes is not effected. That, and the cast is way to big they need to thin the heard.
I'd have to agree that all of those characters are worse than sylar. To take a d&d reference, they are all choatic evil, no whim as to what they do or who they hurt. Sylar, as proven the episode, is laweful evil, if he does not have to kill he won't. He has a greater purpose. From a who is more eivl point of view, I"d say sylar becahse he has a plan. But who is more dangerious, the evil people who don't have a plan.
We haven't seen what they can do, but torching an old lady for her car and laughing at her body. That's horrible. I can't wait to see Mario's fear power can do.
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Not even close. I complain about the show, too. IT has flaws and it is fine to have people in a discussion thread to discuss those flaws and what they don't like about the show.
I think the worst thing the show did to Sylar was show his face and give his backstory. He was cool as the killer of heroes and before he was understood. The show does do characters well which is a shame.
I too was saying to myself yesterday that the show's worse features are the time traveling (which still makes Dr. Who the only show to do it right) and the large amount of characters. I need to see some real death. The cast seriously needs to be curtailed. I have no problem connecting the storylines, nor having favorite characters but i need to spend more time with a certain set, even if its not my favorite. I"d be happy if everyone not on this episode is nothing more than a reoccuring character. They need to take some lessons from soap operas. Only have a handful of main characters and a bunch of reoccuring ones.
As for time travel, its bad but not unfixable. They need to establish some rules. what happens to old time lines. How many realities are there out there. When the future is changed does any future travelers in the past cease to exist.
BTW, what if peter's girlfriend is the darkness. The thing that should exist but doesn't. I'm just throwing that out there because i know she'll be back.
NOt sure if this was mentioned earlier but remember, we're seeing young (character level) heroes. I've said since season 1 that nathan's power is simply not flight, no more than parkman's was mind reading. Nathan has the power of an angel, and flight is the simplist of the powers, simliar to linderman.
Sylar is a complicated villian, which i liked. i think it would have been lame to have him as the nameless killer who keeps showing up and killing people. I think we'll see another change in sylar now. Another evolution of his character. he honestly has the best power, will he realize that he has won.
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