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Old 22nd September 2008, 05:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Heroes: (Volume Three: Villains) The Second Coming--Season Premiere



Heroes: (Volume Three: Villains) The Second Coming & The Buttterfly Effect.
Writer:Tim Kring


Director:Allan Arkush


Stars:Kristen Bell (Elle Bishop)

Noah Gray-Cabey (Micah Sanders)

Sendhil Ramamurthy (Mohinder Suresh)
Ali Larter (Tracy Strauss)
Adrian Pasdar (Nathan Petrelli)
Masi Oka (Hiro Nakamura)
Milo Ventimiglia (Peter Petrelli)
Hayden Panettiere (Claire Bennet)
James Kyson Lee (Ando Masahashi)
Zachary Quinto (Gabriel Gray/Sylar)
Dania Ramirez (Maya Herrera)
Cristine Rose (Angela Petrelli)
Jack Coleman (Noah Bennet)
Greg Grunberg (Matt Parkman)







Recurring Role:Brea Grant (Daphne)

Ashley Crow (Sandra Bennet)

Randall Bentley (Lyle Bennet)
Jimmy Jean-Louis (The Haitian)
Carlon Jeffery (Damon Dawson)
Bruce Boxleitner (Senator)
Malcolm McDowell (Daniel Linderman)
George Takei (Kaito Nakamura)
Blake Shields (Flint)







Guest Star:Jamie Hector (Benjamin "Knox" Washington)

Francis Capra (Jesse Murphy)





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Some surprises - some predictability - and I expect the Canadian preview from next week's was a lil better than the American one

Good to have Heroes back.
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Old 23rd September 2008, 05:09 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I'm glad to see them back too. I read my local papers preview and she seemed to say there was nothing resolved from last season.. boy was that a bad article. A lot of discoveries, a lot of new mysteries.. all in all very good. I was a little pissed at how stupid they make hiro, I mean wow that was just dumb all around. It's like his entire time in japan he learned nothiing about treachary and villians
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It was full of win and the season is off to a better start than last season.

Spoilers:The idea of Sylar being used by the so-called good guys fills me with much twisted glee.

Elle is awesome and I hope she gets to kick some real ass this season.

Poor Parkman, always getting the short end of the stick
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I'm glad to see them back too. I read my local papers preview and she seemed to say there was nothing resolved from last season.. boy was that a bad article. A lot of discoveries, a lot of new mysteries.. all in all very good. I was a little pissed at how stupid they make hiro, I mean wow that was just dumb all around. It's like his entire time in japan he learned nothiing about treachary and villians
I thought it was rather in character for him. He is an impatient and impetuous person who has a super power that feeds that short coming, and frankly he is a little stupid. He has always been mostly written that way.
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Old 23rd September 2008, 05:55 AM   #6 (permalink)
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But once more Suresh trumps all stupidity. But then his inate power is super-stupidity. Otherwise pretty good, no Supernatural premire, but still very good. I enjoyed the first too chapters enough that I will be back for more.
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I thought the best part was Parkman actually being a detective, and figuring out Future Peter before (mostly) everyone else.

Sylar said Claire was special, but Sylar doesn't know about Adam yet. In a way he's a lot like Angela said Peter was... always thinking he's right.

I thought not telling us the villain's power that Peter is trapped in was a bit of a cop-out, but eh.

My thought on the future Hiro saw... Sphere of Annihilation.

Nice to know Angela's power, even if most of us had figured it out.

I wonder if Nathan's mind got "fractured" by the process of his emerging abilities, like Niki's did.

No Micah... blah.

The worst part was that intro special... holy heck that was awful. I'm not usually home Monday nights, so I didn't realize Terminator:SCC was on, and missed the first twenty minutes of it. Blah.

Second worst part, actually in the episodes? That bloody 10% of brain idea that in completely wrong and really needs to be shot dead.
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Suresh is not stupid. He's a 18 or 19 Int; he just happens to have a "7" wisdom...
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My thought on the future Hiro saw... Sphere of Annihilation.
I think it was supposed to be the world cracking in half like in the African's paintings. Which also reminds me that now there is someone else that has the same powers as Isaac.

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I wonder if Nathan's mind got "fractured" by the process of his emerging abilities, like Niki's did.
I kind of wonder if its not in their mind at all but is a yet unrevealed hero/villain that doesn't have a body and jumps from body to body.
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I don't tihnk Nathan's mind got fractured at all. I think Nathan started seeing Linderman right when Future Peter showed up - and put it in his head as a means to control his brother and ensure he does not go off script.

It's Parkman's talent going on here; not a Nikki / Jessica fracture.
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Now why couldn't last season start out like this? However, this season opener felt very Marvel like since mohinder's powers seem to be an homage to Spiderman/ the Manspider and "the German" is a magneto homage.
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Why so many stupid decisions and characters? It was ok, but I missed the last 5 minutes watching Top Gear.
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Why so many stupid decisions and characters? It was ok, but I missed the last 5 minutes watching Top Gear.
Trust me many of us were wondering that since season 1.
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Hey, I liked it but there still are some dumb actions being performed by a number of characters.

Maya got HOT! And interesting. See what happens when you go Americian!

Suresh - dumb and gone all Fly on us

Hero - dude should know by now and not be so innocent and dumb, hope he gets the girl, boy needs to get layed to become a man!' Nothing like a bad girl.

I don't care how 'bad' the guys are from Sector 5 are, Sylar is going to mess them up!

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Very enjoyable. All the characters were true to form. I believe I enjoyed the Claire and Noah bits the most closely followed by (along with) Sylar.
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Good stuff by and large.

Intro special was indeed awful.
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Entertaining, at the very least. Looks a lot better than the laughably bad season which preceded it.

That said, I liked Mohinder much better when he was played by Jeff Goldblum.

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I"m just going to throw this outthere. I don't think Nathan's power is flight. I think its the power to be an angel. Which would make sense of why clair is so different. The product of an angel and a human. The linderman thing through my theory off yesterday, until it was revealed that Linderman was in Nathan's head. Perhaps an angel himself?
Though i will say i am completely stumped on Jessica, Nicki, new girl. She can't possibly be the jessica nicky we know because i would assume it would take along time to get to the point of advisor for the governor.

Did anybody peep my boy Marlo from the wire as one of he villians. One of my favorite bad guys is now a badguy on my favorite show. awesome.
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Well lots to digest. My comments are as follows (In sblock since that seems to be where we are going so far).

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On to the characters:

Future Claire: Got whacked upside the head with a dumb stick. Points a gun a future Peter and thinks she can kill him. Not very bright. The dark hair does look good though.

Future Peter: Still kickass. It seems they are using Future Peter with his “Hiro changing the past” issues as a way to neuter Peter this season. While Future Peter is more intelligent and less whinny than Current Peter, he still needs to be permanently removed as he is too powerful for the show.

Current Peter: Not a bad way to neuter him. It seems the writers really want to keep writing his character as someone who needs to figure out his powers. Give it up and get rid of him permanently (See above)

Current Claire: Now there is some trauma for her. I can see how removing feeling from her could turn her evil this season. I did enjoy the healing is a lame power comment. I hope she goes hunting with her dad. From the previews she may have to spend time with Sylar which won’t help her psyche. I am still liking her but the writers need to be careful.

Mr. Bennet: While he may not have any powers his assassin/spy abilities got him sent to level 5. Way to go HRG. Still a fave.

Mrs. Bennet: Hopefully Claire goes off with dad and leaves her out of things.

Lyle Bennet: Doesn’t even get screen time anymore. Poor Lyle.

Mr. Muggles: Once more he is more popular than Lyle. Poor Lyle. Now the question is will he be left with Mom or go crime fighting with Claire.

Claire’s Biological Mom: Not sure where they are going with this yet.

Nathan: I picked up early Linderman wasn’t interacting with anyone else. As for his miraculous cure, it could just be leftovers from his previous cure. Adam/Claire blood does seem powerful. It will be interesting to see where his relationship with Tracy/Niki/Jessica goes.

Tracy/Niki/Jessica: I guess they really wanted Ali Larter back but realized Niki/Jessica just wasn’t working. Interesting to see that they are not shying away from the fact that Tracy and Niki/Jessica are played by the same person. I am curious to see where this goes. It seems that Angry Tracy is far more powerful than Angry Jessica. I would be curious how long it would take Adam/Claire/Sylar to recover from an attack by her.

Micah and his Cousin: I am happy they are out of the picture right now. They may be brought back as part of the Tracy/Niki/Jessica storyline. I just hope not.

Ma Patrelli: Once more her personality really comes out. Interesting how she isn’t afraid of Future Peter and can recognize him immediately. I am not sure I like that her power is dreaming. That leaves a question of what the power of the old black guy was. She makes a far better company leader than Bob.

Bob: Good riddance. I would have preferred Mr. Bennet offing him but as long as he is dead I am ok.

Elle: I hope this means her character will be better utilized. She really does want to do good, but dad left her a mental mess. Right now I would consider her the character I most want to see what happens too.

Adam: No big loss not having him involved. Yet?

Syler: I guess he is popular, but not with me. Like Peter he needs to be neutered to keep but really needs to be removed permanently. He is actually the one part of the show that I fundamentally don’t like. (Though Mohinder bellow may also qualify).

Matt: Tim Kring has been keeping to his apology so far. I hope he keeps to it here as well. No more than 3 episodes of Matt in Africa. Please, Please. Hopefully he is there just to lean a clue from the African future seer and gets back soon. Not sure about his stupidity in trying to read Peters mind again.

Mohinder: Please kill him. Please Please Please. Unfortunately his Super-Stupidity power also rubs off on those near him and he keeps surviving. As for the new power. Some are saying The Fly is the ripoff. I think that it also looks a lot like an Outer Limits episode where a researcher creates a formula that improves his body and it keeps creating new features than get rid of human weaknesses until he an unstoppable non-human entity. It seems obvious that Mohinder is one of the good to evil transitions this year.

Maya: They can kill her off as well. She is a remnant of a failed storyline and seems to be a romantic foil for Mohinder. I thought Tim Kring was fixing that. She and Mohinder better tie in soon or this will be the storyline I totally ignore and go get food from the kitchen or do something else during.

Molly: Seems that writing her out is their choice. Too useful of a tool if they keep her I guess. The real problem though is we are about 6 months into the Heroes timeline from beginning of Season 1 and she has probably aged out of the character in real life. May explain Micah as well now that I think about it.

Hiro: Not liking that his mind is being messed with again. His story arc so far is better than last season (not hard at all) but not up to season 1 yet. I am waiting to see where this goes before making a judgement.

Ando: He really is the good guy. Unfortunately they probably wont resolve the betrayal to the end. I would give odds though that Future Ando is the good guy and Future Hiro was in the wrong.

Daphne: So far is an interesting foil for Hiro. Good casting.

Haitian: So far MIA.



Overall Tim Kring has kept most of his promises to fix Heroes. Other than the Mohinder/Maya storyline this seems to be a good start to season three. I am almost willing to forgive Season 2 and make this a must watch show again. They got at least 4-5 more episodes out of me from these two even if it does go bad again.
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