Faraday's spiel last week about how humans are 'variables' annoyed the hell out of me. It went wildly against what he had said previously about time being immutable, and unless I missed something, the change of outlook seemed inappropriate to his character.
Sawyer, Kate, and Juliet leaving confused me from a storytelling perspective. It sort of lowers the tension level for me. They've safely gotten away, and no one seems too upset about leaving the island, so that's a bizarrely happy note in the middle of what I expected to be the build-up to some sort of doomsday.
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Great stuff - the best at time travel I think I've ever seen. Lots of reveals in every episode, with new mysteries quickly replacing them.
I officially forgive the producers for season 3.
Negotiating a known "end-date" was the best thing the producers ever did for the show. B5 was great because it had a plan, and wandered when that plan was messed w/ (such as the signs of cancellation as Season 4).
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Faraday's spiel last week about how humans are 'variables' annoyed the hell out of me. It went wildly against what he had said previously about time being immutable, and unless I missed something, the change of outlook seemed inappropriate to his character.
My assumption (and it's only that) is that something happened to Faraday to make him think that he could change the future. However, via course correction that was perhaps not the case. I don't recall Faraday ever mentioning course correction - that was all Desmond/Charlie and events we've seen but Faraday hasn't. It's possible he doesn't know about it.
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Sawyer, Kate, and Juliet leaving confused me from a storytelling perspective. It sort of lowers the tension level for me. They've safely gotten away, and no one seems too upset about leaving the island, so that's a bizarrely happy note in the middle of what I expected to be the build-up to some sort of doomsday.
First off, I should mention that I absolutely hate this forced triangle thing with them. I think putting Kate on the sub cheapened what should have been a scene that is reminiscent of the raft leaving the island (also a penultimate episode, IIRC). Sure, everyone else is in danger - but Sawyer and Juliet live happily ever after, or at least have the chance to.
Second, that assumes the sub actually leaves the island's "field". We know that it's not enough to get off the island, but to get far enough away from it. If it's supposed to be a callback to the raft, then it's likely they don't get off the island. It's the hope before the crushing despair.
Thirdly, and tangentially, that made me think of WALLLLT! and hence Herold Perrineau. I'm really enjoying The Unusuals. Random aside.
My assumption (and it's only that) is that something happened to Faraday to make him think that he could change the future. However, via course correction that was perhaps not the case. I don't recall Faraday ever mentioning course correction - that was all Desmond/Charlie and events we've seen but Faraday hasn't. It's possible he doesn't know about it.
Faraday was on the island believing that time was immutable. Then he went off to Dharma HQ in Ann Arbor for 3 years, and came back believing in variables.
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First off, I should mention that I absolutely hate this forced triangle thing with them. I think putting Kate on the sub cheapened what should have been a scene that is reminiscent of the raft leaving the island (also a penultimate episode, IIRC). Sure, everyone else is in danger - but Sawyer and Juliet live happily ever after, or at least have the chance to.
The forced triangles aren't working for me. They seem forced for me too.
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This was a terrible episode, capping a mediocre season.
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If it's what I think he said, and I'd like to see it written that would be interesting because the Ankh and the rest of the statue is missing, exposing only the right foot.
Meaning he's under the foot, but the shadow of the full statue would have been cast behind him (the statue figure) as the sun rose, I think, given the prior ship board sighting of the statue remains, from starboard I believe. I'm trying to remember the time of day the people on the boat saw the statue remains, which I believe had both legs showing at that time. If that is the case then that means the explosions didn't wipe out the statue, time is degenerating it. (Because it is running backwards in time?) And it would explain Jacob's weaving on the loom.
But if it wasn't what I thought he said then it has a double, or perhaps triple, meaning.
When I first saw the box I knew it was John's body.
Now I know why the kids in the van looked familiar when they scooped up Miles. And why the radiation burns (I'm pretty sure that's what it was) on Ilana.
2010. Dammit.
Dammit all.
Anywho, I really liked this finale.
Edit: then again if he lives under the statue and that fires burns all of the time then he is the one who sits in the shadow of the statue and it is he who will "shelter us all."
Ben kills John, and now apparently kills Jacob, so Ben cannot be the sacrificial man and had no choice because it was an intended sacrifice - By knife, and fire.
Proves to me, though, that the only episodes really worth watching are the premiers, finales, and recaps! (Especially with the two writers, who actually bother to tell you what's going on.) It also proves to me that Lost would have actually been a great series if it was only 4 (or even just 3) seasons long. It's extension out to 6 seasons really hurt the quality of the show.
So it's some kind of 'eternal struggle', is it? Hmmm... that's kind of interesting. I'm not sure what the show is trying to portray, though. It seemed to me that it was trying to make Jacob seem like a nice/good guy, and the other guy a kind of villain. But we know that's a load of crap, because if Jacob really is the leader of the Others then he is a despicable hateful person. So, I have to wonder what the show is trying to do... one bad guy and one worse guy? That's pretty bad writing, if that's how it'll turn out.
So needless to say, I cheered when Jacob got his. Ahhh... that was nice. I also cheered when Juliet went down the hole - that was nice, too (but then cried to see she wasn't dead and splattered). Oh well... can't win 'em all.
"Ricardus"... heh, that was cool. And nice to see they actually showed more of the statue and explained a (tiny) bit more. More info on the island is always good. Less character stuff for Lost (Kate is a complete twit, and has been for 3 seasons now) is also good. As others have mentioned - that whole triangle (now square?) thing isn't working for me.
I'm not so sure that Jacob leads the Others at all. He certainly doesn't acknowledge it to Ben, and gets stabbed as a result. I didn't cheer at all.
Smokey/Christian/New Locke/Claire/Esau is the one going around killing people, judging them and killing them. Jacob is the one weaving the threads to bring them to the island. I'm not so sure the good/evil thing is at all clear at this point.
because if Jacob really is the leader of the Others
But, Ben and Richard did confirm they have a relationship with Jacob, that the "lists" came from Jacob, Richard knew the hangout of Jacob, etc. Walks/quacks like a duck... They'll have to have some cute little narrative contortions in the last season if they want to have it otherwise. I'm definitely looking forward to full disclosure.
(And the Others beat and kill people. Often, viciously, quickly, no questions asked. As the instigators. That has long since been shown and made abundantly clear over 5 seasons. That's not up for debate, AFAIC.)
I understand you're saying "if," but that doesn't really scan with your cheering when Jacob was killed, as far as I can tell.
Ben never spoke to Jacob, got his notes from someone, we don't know who. Only Richard has said that Jacob leads the Others.
Yes, the Others are bad guys, I'm not arguing that. Jacob's ties to the Others aren't indicated by anyone except Smokey/Esau/New Locke and Richard. Doesn't require any contortion other than "Richard was misled" or "Richard is intentionally misleading." Ben being misled by Smokey/Esau isn't difficult to imagine at all.
I understand you're saying "if," but that doesn't really scan with your cheering when Jacob was killed, as far as I can tell.
Oh heavens, just personal bias on my part. If it's even remotely related to the Others and something bad happens to them, I 'cheer' at home while I watch.
My personal preferences and reactions scan just fine, thanks.
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Don't know if anyone is following this thread anymore (last post was 4 days ago) but I only just now saw the finale.
I did a wikipedia search on Egyptian deities and think I've got a match. I believe it's the god Sobek, minus the sun disc on his head (which would mean he's an early incarnation - before his connection with Ra). Sobek was a righter of wrongs and a creation deity. Any idea what that may mean for the shows plot?
If it's not Sobek, the only other possiblity I see is Ammit. Ammit is a god of the underworld who enacts divine retribution for the wrongs one commits in life. That may be a cool connection to the island, but I think Sobek is probably the more correct choice.
So, what do you all think?
P.S.: Sawyer and Jack have been heading for that confrontation since day 1. It's about damn time they had it out.
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