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Tuesday, 18th July, 2017

  • 05:04 PM - drnate29 mentioned Rygar in post Can Hobby Stores Make Their Saving Throw?
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  • 05:01 PM - drnate29 mentioned Rygar in post Can Hobby Stores Make Their Saving Throw?
    Fully agree with Coreyartus...I joked with my friends about starting an RPG-themed nursing home in 20 years. The path forward for gaming stores is absolutely to promote community and provide a comfortable space to play with related services. Private rooms (so you aren't having to talk over near-by tables), strong Wi-Fi and food service would be great and I'd think do-able ideas. I'm not a MtG or Pokémon player, so I can't really speak to that, but I'd agree with Rygar that your FLGS will very likely fold if it tries to survive on product sales.

Monday, 22nd May, 2017

  • 11:32 AM - pemerton mentioned Rygar in post Consequence and Reward in RPGs
    ...s) the training will be 1500 per level being trained into each time (so here it's 3K + 4.5K + 6K + 7.5K = 21K) and if there's any penalties for poor roleplay etc. then a multiplier hits the training costs for that level on a x2 to x4 scale based on the DM's judgement.You are using the wrong levels: as per DMG p 86, "The level of the aspiring character should be computed at current (not to be gained) level." Hence Hussar's figure of 15,000 is correct, assuming a "roleplay" factor of 1: 1+2+3+4 = 10, x 1500 = 15,000 gp. Ghost Tower is also bizarre - it has some very game-first elements within it and some other elements that could really work well in any dungeon. It was written as a tournament module and though it wasn't really converted that well for open play I sure had a blast (and so did the players) when I ran it a few years back. Good times!I didn't say it was a bad module. My point was only that it is a counterexample (one of several) to the "game"/"world" dichotomy drawn by Rygar. the Dragonlance modules that Hussar has already referred to belong to the 1st ed AD&D era.They're of that era in real-world time, but they're more of the 2e era in design and expected play/DM style.This seems like the worst sort of projection of the present onto the past! At the time the DL modules were written there was no 2nd ed or "2nd ed era". They were written, and published, and played, under the 1st ed rules, years before 2nd ed was written and published. They are an important part of the evidence for what constituted 1st ed AD&D play, and they show that dungeon crawling in the classic mode was only one component of the full range of play. lewpuls himself recognised the breadth of playstyles right back in his White Dwarf columns from the late 70s and early 80s. He had (and still seems to have) strong views about his preferred way to play, but he never made the mistake of thinking that it was the only way to play D&D/RPGs.

Sunday, 30th April, 2017

  • 06:58 AM - Hussar mentioned Rygar in post The Dilemma of the Simple RPG
    Heh, I agree Rygar. I think both Paizo (first) and now WotC have proven that there is certainly money to be made in adventures. That we don't really need the endless splat churn that we saw for many, many years. Heck, considering that three years after its release (about), the 5e PHB is sitting at number 33 O.O on Amazon in Books. Not in niche, but in all books. That's AMAZING. It really does look like WotC has hit the magic bullet this time around.

Tuesday, 12th April, 2016

  • 12:32 AM - I'm A Banana mentioned Rygar in post We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop
    What does one have to do with the other? If you have a con policy of "accusation is essentially expulsion," you reduce the risk of sexual assault, and you also apparently get some stuff like Rygar pointed out (assuming, as I generally do, that those people aren't just lying to get attention and push an agenda). Why can't we say and wear what we want but ALSO not let rape or any physical assault happen...what if the rapes says the right words...then it's ok for your daughter to get raped since he didn't say something wrong first? Because the world's not a perfect place. Innocent people get hurt. Sometimes, we can choose which innocent people and how hurt, but until people stop being awful, innocent people will always get hurt.

Friday, 30th October, 2015

  • 09:13 PM - El Mahdi mentioned Rygar in post Warlord Name Poll
    ...old Stew ; @koga305 ; @Lanefan ; @Lanliss ; @Leatherhead; @Libramarian ; @Li Shenron ; @LuisCarlos17f ; @lowkey13 ; @Manbearcat ; @MarkB; @MechaPilot ; @Mecheon ; @mellored ; @Mephista ; @Mercule ; @MG.0 ; @MichaelSomething; @Miladoon ; @Minigiant ; @Mishihari Lord ; @Mistwell ; @MoogleEmpMog ; @Mon @MonkeezOnFire ; @MoonSong(Kaiilurker) ; @MostlyDm ; @Mouseferatu ; @MoutonRustique; @Nemesis Destiny ; @neobolts ; @Neonchameleon ; @Nifft ; @nightspaladin ; @nomotog; @n00bdragon ; @Obryn ; @Ohillion ; @oknazevad ; @Olgar Shiverstone ; @Orlax ; @Otterscrubber ; @Pandamonium87 ; @Paraxis ; @PaulO. ; @Pauln6 ; @Pauper ; @payn; @pemerton ; @peterka99 ;@ Pickles III ; @Pickles JG ; @pkt77242 ; @pming ; @pogre; @PopeYodaI ; @Prickly ; @procproc ; @Psikerlord ; @Psikerlord# ; @(Psi)SeveredHead; @Quickleaf ; @Raith5 ; @raleel ; @Ralif Redhammer ; @Raloc ; @Ranes ; @RangerWickett; @Ratskinner ; @redrick ; @Rejuvenator ; @Remathilis ; @Ristamar ; @RolenArcher; @Roland55 ; @RPG_Tweaker ; @Rune ; @Rygar ; @Sacrosanct ; @Saelorn ; @Saeviomagy; @sailor-Moon ; @SailorNash ; @Saplatt ; @Satyrn ; @Shades of Eternity ; @shadowmane; @sheadunne ; @Shasarak ; @shidaku ; @shintashi ; @Shiroiken ; @SigmaOne ; @sleypy; @sleypy01 ; @SpiderMonkey ; @Staccat0 ; @Staffan ; @steeldragons ; @steenan @STeveC ; @strider13x ; @Strider1973 ; @Sword of Spirit ; @Talmek ; @TerraDave; @TheCosmicKid ; @The_Gneech ; @TheHobgoblin ; @The Human Target ; @the Jester; @The Mirrorball Man ; @The Myopic Sniper ; @ThirdWizard ; @Tia Nadiezja ; @Tinker-TDC; @Tonguez ; @Tony Vargas ; @Tormyr ; @TrippyHippy ; @tsadkiel ; @tuxgeo ; @twigglythe Gnome ; @TwoSix ; @Uchawi ; @Ulorian ; @UnadvisedGoose445 ; @UngeheuerLich; @Us ; @Valmarius ; @Warbringer ; @was ; @wedgeski ; @Wednesday Boy ; @Wik ; @WillDoyle ; @Winterthorn ; @Wuzzard ; @Xeviat ; @Yaarel ; @Yunru ; @Zalabim ; @Zansy; @Zardnaar ; @Zeuel ; @ZickZak ; @ZombieRoboNinja ; @ZzarkLinux

Sunday, 27th July, 2014

  • 03:12 PM - doctorhook mentioned Rygar in post Given WotC plans with the RPG will 5e always be the #1 seller?
    ...erything go through the way "they" want it. You don't just go and buy a company and then let it do it's own thing. That's not how it works. Mother company doesn't sit back and wait for the cash to flow. They have a list of everything that is going on and they will have their eyes on everything. Remember, they supply the money so they want to know how it's spent and what the plan is to get that money back and then some. It never just "stops there". This will be doubled due to what happened with 4th edition.Obviously yes, Hasbro oversees WotC operations to ensure that brands are being fully capitalized upon. It's very likely that WotC's new "expand the brand" approach to D&D came at Hasbro's urging (since it's very similar to what Hasbro has done with other brands). I agree with Morrus that it's highly unlikely that Hasbro currently gives more than the slightest thought about the creative direction of D&D. Back on topic: Your original comment was a response to my response to Rygar. Since you disagree with me, are you agreeing with Rygar that 5E is unlikely to succeed because of WotC's corporate structure? You've mentioned your education in finance, so I can't imagine you find his assessment any less ridiculous than I do. But, as I wrote in another thread, Paizo will be happy with growth, regardless of whether that means being #1 or #2 (or any other number for that matter).Certainly Paizo will be happy with growth. Unfortunately the paradox of success is that it's difficult to keep becoming more successful when you're already the most successful. More importantly, I believe that the Pathfinder brand specifically is facing some very serious weaknesses and threats (5E, market saturation, and a fickle customer base) that are likely to burst the PF bubble before it has room to grow again. If Paizo is fast, smart, and lucky, I could still be proven wrong. But D&D isn't just about the RPG. So getting hung up on the details of the RPG would be a waste of time s...

Wednesday, 28th May, 2014

  • 06:58 AM - Blackwarder mentioned Rygar in post The implications of Basic 5E: An adventure-based approach?
    Rygar is completely right, and a smart guy to boot since I've been saying the same thing for a year now and the mark of a smart person is someone who agree with me :p With the last week and a half of excitement the prospect of a WotC sponsored store is more viable , the question is how they are going to do this, if it were only a digital store than it's an easy answer, but what about physical products? Warder

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Thursday, 10th May, 2018

  • 12:29 PM - Morrus quoted Rygar in post Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done
    Probably didn't help when left wing activists started deriding posters if they didn't fall in line, and the mods (predictably) didn't censor any of them. But post an acronym used commonly for left wing activists and they'll ban you in less than a page... You know better than to challenge moderation in-thread. Don't post in this thread again, please.

Monday, 7th May, 2018

  • 08:33 AM - Riley37 quoted Rygar in post Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done
    So your call, are we going to eliminate harassment or microaggressions? Do you have a business plan for how conventions and RPG's survive after eliminating at least 50% of its consumers? Oh, Rygar. I find your lack of faith in capitalism disturbing. You're ignoring free market solutions. For example, if Company Alpha held conventions on a "boys will be boys" basis, while Company Beta held conventions on a "zero tolerance for misbehavior" basis, then the market could sort out the relative demand. You could go to AlphaCon. You can say whatever you want, right up to the limit of the law, to any charming young woman in a Princess Daphne outfit; or perhaps just beyond the limit of the law, if a cop isn't around to enforce it. Eltab can encourage her to respond with physical violence. S'mon could talk to her cleavage. JackTheRabbit can run a game in which no one can tell which player is running which character, and by the end, no one's even sure that he's the DM. Prosfilaes can run an alternate history game in which the PCs crush the riot at the Bastille and thus avert the French Revolution, preventing many subsequent executions of aristocrats on charges of ideological impurity. (Al...
  • 07:36 AM - Hussar quoted Rygar in post Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done
    You're right, that point did sail over someone's head. There's an ocean of difference between stopping harassment, and fulfilling the politics of a subset of a political group. If you want conventions to be guided by politics, then sure, those lists are perfectly fine. In fact, those lists are quite frankly frighteningly short by the standards of the political groups that advocate them. Conventions and game shops are going to all belly up this year, because eliminating everyone but certain subsets of left wing politics isn't going to leave enough people to continue, but we can do that. OTOH, if we want to eliminate harassment, as defined by law, that's something achievable since the legal definitions are legal definitions because they're widely agreed upon. So your call, are we going to eliminate harassment or microaggressions? Do you have a business plan for how conventions and RPG's survive after eliminating at least 50% of its consumers? Wow. There's missing the point, a...
  • 02:22 AM - Afrodyte quoted Rygar in post Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done
    You're right, that point did sail over someone's head. There's an ocean of difference between stopping harassment, and fulfilling the politics of a subset of a political group. If you want conventions to be guided by politics, then sure, those lists are perfectly fine. In fact, those lists are quite frankly frighteningly short by the standards of the political groups that advocate them. Conventions and game shops are going to all belly up this year, because eliminating everyone but certain subsets of left wing politics isn't going to leave enough people to continue, but we can do that. OTOH, if we want to eliminate harassment, as defined by law, that's something achievable since the legal definitions are legal definitions because they're widely agreed upon. So your call, are we going to eliminate harassment or microaggressions? Do you have a business plan for how conventions and RPG's survive after eliminating at least 50% of its consumers? Can I have your legal name, addres...
  • 02:15 AM - Particle_Man quoted Rygar in post Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done
    You're right, that point did sail over someone's head. There's an ocean of difference between stopping harassment, and fulfilling the politics of a subset of a political group. If you want conventions to be guided by politics, then sure, those lists are perfectly fine. In fact, those lists are quite frankly frighteningly short by the standards of the political groups that advocate them. Conventions and game shops are going to all belly up this year, because eliminating everyone but certain subsets of left wing politics isn't going to leave enough people to continue, but we can do that. OTOH, if we want to eliminate harassment, as defined by law, that's something achievable since the legal definitions are legal definitions because they're widely agreed upon. So your call, are we going to eliminate harassment or microaggressions? Do you have a business plan for how conventions and RPG's survive after eliminating at least 50% of its consumers? Sure, it is the one where women co...
  • 01:54 AM - DM Magic quoted Rygar in post Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done
    You're right, that point did sail over someone's head. There's an ocean of difference between stopping harassment, and fulfilling the politics of a subset of a political group. If you want conventions to be guided by politics, then sure, those lists are perfectly fine. In fact, those lists are quite frankly frighteningly short by the standards of the political groups that advocate them. Conventions and game shops are going to all belly up this year, because eliminating everyone but certain subsets of left wing politics isn't going to leave enough people to continue, but we can do that. OTOH, if we want to eliminate harassment, as defined by law, that's something achievable since the legal definitions are legal definitions because they're widely agreed upon. So your call, are we going to eliminate harassment or microaggressions? Do you have a business plan for how conventions and RPG's survive after eliminating at least 50% of its consumers? Remember that scene in 30 Rock whe...
  • 01:53 AM - Jay Verkuilen quoted Rygar in post Dungeons & Dragons has 15 Million Players in NA Alone; Storyline Is "The Da Vinci Code meets Gangs of New York"
    Only when you have a known population that you can survey. You can survey a city. You can survey the attendees of a movie, play, sports game, etc. You cannot survey an unknown population. When your product is a set of three books, and n number of people in a group need only one set, you cannot tell how many people are there, what their sex is, or how often they play. The numbers presented here are about as accurate as randomly generated values. They have no way of knowing how many people play, no way of contacting them, they're blind. You are engaging in a false dichotomy. In fact, a city isn't a simple known population, and this one isn't an entirely unknown population. In fact there are ways to determine population sizes if you want to know that, for instance capture-recapture methods, which don't actually require ear tags or leg bands to make work. The reality is that early questions in the survey are used to filter out people who are ineligible and shouldn't be counted. I'm sure ...
  • 12:44 AM - Morrus quoted Rygar in post Dungeons & Dragons has 15 Million Players in NA Alone; Storyline Is "The Da Vinci Code meets Gangs of New York"
    The closest thing they could do is cold call people, or survey some game shops. The most likely thing they could do is survey game shops in their HQ region, which given the culture in their area, is going to give them *extremely* bad information. I don't think anyone would try to assert that Seattle is equivalent to anything other than a few cities in CA, and very different from everywhere else. Of course they didn’t survey Seattle. What a silly thing to say.

Sunday, 6th May, 2018

  • 11:20 PM - Hussar quoted Rygar in post Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done
    Just a point of clarification, the two lists are of Micro-aggressions, not red flags. Medicine doesn't recognize any of those lists as "Therapeutic red flags" and none of them are considered harassment in legal terms. I'm not protesting them being discussed, just pointing out that what is being discussed is politics. Whoosh! That's the sound of a point sailing over someone's head. Good grief, you want to argue SEMANTICS? https://youtu.be/hou0lU8WMgo
  • 11:05 PM - Jay Verkuilen quoted Rygar in post Dungeons & Dragons has 15 Million Players in NA Alone; Storyline Is "The Da Vinci Code meets Gangs of New York"
    I agree. This announcement is basically "Knowing the Unknowable". -How do they know how many players there are? <snip> Another totally fabricated number. These numbers are pretty clearly from a market survey study. While WotC may not do very good surveys---I have no idea---these kinds of projections can be done well. For example, unemployment numbers and crime victimization statistics are both done, in whole or part, by surveys. For instance, if you want to determine the number of crime victims, you do a survey and then try to extrapolate. What these numbers do NOT have is an uncertainty estimate, although they did do the responsible thing and round them pretty drastically (e.g., "40%" rather than "43%"). There are companies that do this very well, so I'd hope that WotC would have hired one rather than, say, trying to gin one up themselves on Survey Monkey for cheap. After writing good questions, getting meaningful uncertainty estimates and dealing with sampling biases are the really h...
  • 05:07 PM - Jeanneliza quoted Rygar in post Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done
    Just a point of clarification, the two lists are of Micro-aggressions, not red flags. Medicine doesn't recognize any of those lists as "Therapeutic red flags" and none of them are considered harassment in legal terms. I'm not protesting them being discussed, just pointing out that what is being discussed is politics. Times change, terms have changed, I have noted this before. I am not getting into semantics here, I am referring to the terms that were used in women's groups and women's therapists to help women who have all ready been victimized to identify behaviors that serve as early warning signs that this individual may be a problem. I don't care what you call them, back then or in the present, they serve the same purpose, so vulnerable groups can do as we are constantly advised, avoid potentially harmful situations/persons. Whatever they are called now, I recognized the list from back in the 80's and they were called red flags. But this is again losing sight of the forest for the tree...
  • 04:53 PM - RedJenOSU quoted Rygar in post Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done
    Just a point of clarification, the two lists are of Micro-aggressions, not red flags. Medicine doesn't recognize any of those lists as "Therapeutic red flags" and none of them are considered harassment in legal terms. I'm not protesting them being discussed, just pointing out that what is being discussed is politics. When choosing who I interact with, constant microaggressions are a something I view as a red flag. They may not meet a medical standard, but since I have to be aware of my surroundings in order to protect myself, I am not able to always let things get to the level of meeting a "standard" before I make a judgement call. Edit to add a comma
  • 04:04 AM - Parmandur quoted Rygar in post Dungeons & Dragons has 15 Million Players in NA Alone; Storyline Is "The Da Vinci Code meets Gangs of New York"
    ... The closest thing they could do is cold call people... Which you know they haven't had done because....?
  • 01:43 AM - SkidAce quoted Rygar in post Dungeons & Dragons has 15 Million Players in NA Alone; Storyline Is "The Da Vinci Code meets Gangs of New York"
    The saddest part is, if they actually tried producing D&D they'd probably be able to grow their market to huge proportions. Compared to any other time in my gaming experience from around 82ish, there is a LOT more people playing, and those people make up a WAY bigger percentage of the population than they used to.

Saturday, 5th May, 2018

  • 06:42 PM - Elfcrusher quoted Rygar in post Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done
    Either every accusation of harassment is true and shouldn't be held to standards requiring clear proof, and just suggesting that we require a degree of investigation is misogony and victim-blaming, or accusations can be false and we should investigate and treat claims with some degree of suspicion. Moronic argument. You've taken the extreme position "every claim is true" and contrasted it not with the opposite extreme position ("every claim is false") but against the entire rest of the spectrum: "every claim might be true and might be false." You're weighing 100% certainty against 1 to 99% uncertainty. None of the reasonable, rationale people in this thread are claiming that 100% of all accusations are true. The ridiculous claim in this thread is that women's reports of harassment are more likely than other claims to be made up and therefore we should err on the side of protecting men. Despite decades and decades of evidence of what happens when you do.
  • 05:58 PM - Dannyalcatraz quoted Rygar in post Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done
    Re: this sequence: The problem there is that beyond some relative simple and common rules, harassment policies generally end up being trivial to exploit for gain or a legal liability. (Edit) Want to win the Magic/Pokémon/Board Game tournament? Have friends watch the competition and then accuse your greatest threat(s) of harassment. People cheat at these events *constantly*, this is a better tool than any other they can use today. And: Considering that MtG tournaments can run some serious prize money, you better believe that criminal charges will get involved in a hurry. Conspiracy charges for one. Because, well, it's not like it's going to be that hard to find out that all three women are friends of the person who's running the scam. So, yes, there is some fairly significant risks of criminal repercussions for trying to run a scam like this. Abusing private codes of conduct is not illegal. Actually, it could be, depending on the situation. Larceny by trick and la...
  • 11:36 AM - Staffan quoted Rygar in post Dungeons & Dragons has 15 Million Players in NA Alone; Storyline Is "The Da Vinci Code meets Gangs of New York"
    That's not true. 1. We don't know how many players there are. Neither do they. Nor do we know how many people have ever played D&D, nor do they. You know that there are these things called "polls" and "surveys", right? You call up a certain number of people, ask them some questions, use some of the answers to those questions to check how well they sync up to the population at large, and then extrapolate the results of the other questions to get proper answers. It's not a perfect science, but it's pretty damn good. 2. There's nowhere near more content than ever. WOTC produces almost no content now. 3rd edition had how many books? How many issues of Dungeon and Dragon existed? How many 3rd party 3.x products existed? 5th edition, at its current pace, will need decades just to catch up to 3rd edition. Here's the thing: that content still exists. Most of it is up on DM's Guild. And it's all D&D content - some of it might require some massaging to mesh with 5e, but generally not tha...
  • 10:11 AM - Hussar quoted Rygar in post Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done
    The problem there is that beyond some relative simple and common rules, harassment policies generally end up being trivial to exploit for gain or a legal liability. Since a lot of harassment uses a very loose definition of the term which gives advantage to the accuser, widespread implementation of these policies can and will end up being tools. Want to win the Magic/Pokémon/Board Game tournament? Have friends watch the competition and then accuse your greatest threat(s) of harassment. People cheat at these events *constantly*, this is a better tool than any other they can use today. In a similar vein, these venues will risk being targets for lawsuits with today's loose definitions being used. What is termed harassment by many people on the internet is very different than what the law considers to be harassment. The Honey Badgers lawsuit is a good example. I doubt most conventions can survive more than two or three of these events. Are you kidding? We shouldn't implement stron...
  • 06:58 AM - Vicente quoted Rygar in post Dungeons & Dragons has 15 Million Players in NA Alone; Storyline Is "The Da Vinci Code meets Gangs of New York"
    That's not true. 1. We don't know how many players there are. Neither do they. Nor do we know how many people have ever played D&D, nor do they. 2. There's nowhere near more content than ever. WOTC produces almost no content now. 3rd edition had how many books? How many issues of Dungeon and Dragon existed? How many 3rd party 3.x products existed? 5th edition, at its current pace, will need decades just to catch up to 3rd edition. 3. In 1980, or even 1990, how many book stores existed? How many exist now? How many magazine stores existed? How many exist now? Not even touching how many hobby shops existed then compared to now. Marketing D&D?? They haven't marketed it at all. They're really not even producing D&D. Most of the product for it is made by someone else, and what little product they have released is largely just content from the 1980's with a new coat of paint. Heck, they're so hellbent on not producing D&D they turned down a few proposals for video g...
  • 06:02 AM - Parmandur quoted Rygar in post Dungeons & Dragons has 15 Million Players in NA Alone; Storyline Is "The Da Vinci Code meets Gangs of New York"
    That's not true. 1. We don't know how many players there are. Neither do they. Nor do we know how many people have ever played D&D, nor do they. 2. There's nowhere near more content than ever. WOTC produces almost no content now. 3rd edition had how many books? How many issues of Dungeon and Dragon existed? How many 3rd party 3.x products existed? 5th edition, at its current pace, will need decades just to catch up to 3rd edition. 3. In 1980, or even 1990, how many book stores existed? How many exist now? How many magazine stores existed? How many exist now? Not even touching how many hobby shops existed then compared to now. Marketing D&D?? They haven't marketed it at all. They're really not even producing D&D. Most of the product for it is made by someone else, and what little product they have released is largely just content from the 1980's with a new coat of paint. Heck, they're so hellbent on not producing D&D they turned down a few proposals for video games. T...


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