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Tuesday, 18th July, 2017

  • 05:04 PM - drnate29 mentioned Rygar in post Can Hobby Stores Make Their Saving Throw?
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  • 05:01 PM - drnate29 mentioned Rygar in post Can Hobby Stores Make Their Saving Throw?
    Fully agree with Coreyartus...I joked with my friends about starting an RPG-themed nursing home in 20 years. The path forward for gaming stores is absolutely to promote community and provide a comfortable space to play with related services. Private rooms (so you aren't having to talk over near-by tables), strong Wi-Fi and food service would be great and I'd think do-able ideas. I'm not a MtG or Pokémon player, so I can't really speak to that, but I'd agree with Rygar that your FLGS will very likely fold if it tries to survive on product sales.

Monday, 22nd May, 2017

  • 11:32 AM - pemerton mentioned Rygar in post Consequence and Reward in RPGs
    ...s) the training will be 1500 per level being trained into each time (so here it's 3K + 4.5K + 6K + 7.5K = 21K) and if there's any penalties for poor roleplay etc. then a multiplier hits the training costs for that level on a x2 to x4 scale based on the DM's judgement.You are using the wrong levels: as per DMG p 86, "The level of the aspiring character should be computed at current (not to be gained) level." Hence Hussar's figure of 15,000 is correct, assuming a "roleplay" factor of 1: 1+2+3+4 = 10, x 1500 = 15,000 gp. Ghost Tower is also bizarre - it has some very game-first elements within it and some other elements that could really work well in any dungeon. It was written as a tournament module and though it wasn't really converted that well for open play I sure had a blast (and so did the players) when I ran it a few years back. Good times!I didn't say it was a bad module. My point was only that it is a counterexample (one of several) to the "game"/"world" dichotomy drawn by Rygar. the Dragonlance modules that Hussar has already referred to belong to the 1st ed AD&D era.They're of that era in real-world time, but they're more of the 2e era in design and expected play/DM style.This seems like the worst sort of projection of the present onto the past! At the time the DL modules were written there was no 2nd ed or "2nd ed era". They were written, and published, and played, under the 1st ed rules, years before 2nd ed was written and published. They are an important part of the evidence for what constituted 1st ed AD&D play, and they show that dungeon crawling in the classic mode was only one component of the full range of play. lewpuls himself recognised the breadth of playstyles right back in his White Dwarf columns from the late 70s and early 80s. He had (and still seems to have) strong views about his preferred way to play, but he never made the mistake of thinking that it was the only way to play D&D/RPGs.

Sunday, 30th April, 2017

  • 06:58 AM - Hussar mentioned Rygar in post The Dilemma of the Simple RPG
    Heh, I agree Rygar. I think both Paizo (first) and now WotC have proven that there is certainly money to be made in adventures. That we don't really need the endless splat churn that we saw for many, many years. Heck, considering that three years after its release (about), the 5e PHB is sitting at number 33 O.O on Amazon in Books. Not in niche, but in all books. That's AMAZING. It really does look like WotC has hit the magic bullet this time around.

Tuesday, 12th April, 2016

  • 12:32 AM - I'm A Banana mentioned Rygar in post We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop
    What does one have to do with the other? If you have a con policy of "accusation is essentially expulsion," you reduce the risk of sexual assault, and you also apparently get some stuff like Rygar pointed out (assuming, as I generally do, that those people aren't just lying to get attention and push an agenda). Why can't we say and wear what we want but ALSO not let rape or any physical assault happen...what if the rapes says the right words...then it's ok for your daughter to get raped since he didn't say something wrong first? Because the world's not a perfect place. Innocent people get hurt. Sometimes, we can choose which innocent people and how hurt, but until people stop being awful, innocent people will always get hurt.

Friday, 30th October, 2015

  • 09:13 PM - El Mahdi mentioned Rygar in post Warlord Name Poll
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Sunday, 27th July, 2014

  • 03:12 PM - doctorhook mentioned Rygar in post Given WotC plans with the RPG will 5e always be the #1 seller?
    ...erything go through the way "they" want it. You don't just go and buy a company and then let it do it's own thing. That's not how it works. Mother company doesn't sit back and wait for the cash to flow. They have a list of everything that is going on and they will have their eyes on everything. Remember, they supply the money so they want to know how it's spent and what the plan is to get that money back and then some. It never just "stops there". This will be doubled due to what happened with 4th edition.Obviously yes, Hasbro oversees WotC operations to ensure that brands are being fully capitalized upon. It's very likely that WotC's new "expand the brand" approach to D&D came at Hasbro's urging (since it's very similar to what Hasbro has done with other brands). I agree with Morrus that it's highly unlikely that Hasbro currently gives more than the slightest thought about the creative direction of D&D. Back on topic: Your original comment was a response to my response to Rygar. Since you disagree with me, are you agreeing with Rygar that 5E is unlikely to succeed because of WotC's corporate structure? You've mentioned your education in finance, so I can't imagine you find his assessment any less ridiculous than I do. But, as I wrote in another thread, Paizo will be happy with growth, regardless of whether that means being #1 or #2 (or any other number for that matter).Certainly Paizo will be happy with growth. Unfortunately the paradox of success is that it's difficult to keep becoming more successful when you're already the most successful. More importantly, I believe that the Pathfinder brand specifically is facing some very serious weaknesses and threats (5E, market saturation, and a fickle customer base) that are likely to burst the PF bubble before it has room to grow again. If Paizo is fast, smart, and lucky, I could still be proven wrong. But D&D isn't just about the RPG. So getting hung up on the details of the RPG would be a waste of time s...

Wednesday, 28th May, 2014

  • 06:58 AM - Blackwarder mentioned Rygar in post The implications of Basic 5E: An adventure-based approach?
    Rygar is completely right, and a smart guy to boot since I've been saying the same thing for a year now and the mark of a smart person is someone who agree with me :p With the last week and a half of excitement the prospect of a WotC sponsored store is more viable , the question is how they are going to do this, if it were only a digital store than it's an easy answer, but what about physical products? Warder

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Friday, 23rd November, 2018


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Wednesday, 21st November, 2018

  • 11:24 PM - ruemere quoted Rygar in post Big Changes At White Wolf Following Controversy
    Morrus runs a very safe site, I don't think it's necessary to carefully examine all URL's posted here. OTOH, you're posting links to a website that literally bans you for supporting the President of the United States anywhere on the internet if they can connect it to you. The onus is upon you to very clearly indicate where you're linking to when linking to a site with such controversial and political policies. It's one thing to link to a standard site with standard behavior policies, it's quite another to link to a site that bans anyone who supports the sitting President. "Morrus runs a very safe site, I don't think it's necessary to carefully examine all URL's posted here." You're wrong. Any clickjacker software running in a background of your O/S can turn safest link into one-way ticket to problematic site. Also, as evidenced in this case, Morrus cannot monitor everyone's links, so ultimately, the security is on you. Finally, your political preferences have nothing to do with...
  • 08:53 PM - Eltab quoted Rygar in post Big Changes At White Wolf Following Controversy
    In the end, if the company capitulates to the "Boycott" and it was largely a group of non-customers who were outraged, the company has a serious problem. If they change the product to meet the demands of the outrage by non-customers and it runs counter to the desires of the actual customers except for the one who took offense, then there's a very high probability that the company will make a change to the product to satisfy one customer, a lot of people who still have no intention of buying the product, and they've now lost some/many/all of their other customers. McDonalds french fries. Some years ago, the company changed the recipe (to lower-fat) in response to pressure from 'healthy eating' persons / groups. A number of whom responded to news of the change with words to the effect of "Well, I would never eat there anyways."
  • 06:27 AM - Umbran quoted Rygar in post Big Changes At White Wolf Following Controversy
    Philosophy and allegory isn't really applicable here. It's a complex question confronting pretty much all businesses today on all sides of the political war. "How do I identify how many of the people who are expressing outrage are actually customers or potential customers and make informed decisions?". Ah, you see, it isn't all that complicated on such points... If you do something, and a bunch of people hear about it, and show up to tell you that you were being an insensitive, ill-informed jerk, whether or not you have potential business with them is not material in determining if you were, in fact, being an insensitive, ill-informed jerk. They are not wrong just because they weren't going to give you money. Worrying about who is a customer, and who isn't, is a business decision. But the core issue here isn't a business problem - it is an ethical problem. If your basic answer to ethical questions is to check your bottom line, you have probably missed the point of the ethical q...
  • 04:45 AM - Hussar quoted Rygar in post Worlds of Design: Eight Awful Truths About RPG Marketing
    /snip This is true, but we need to put the blame where it belongs. The root cause of all of this is WOTC and the behaviors I've listed above, the secondary cause is the politicization of the Hobby and the LGS. You cannot turn many of the product lines, the gathering places, the online forums, the conventions, and most other facets of the Hobby into political war zones and then wonder why the Industry is toppling. That's the kind of dividing the customer base that killed 4th edition D&D and it's ramping up quickly now throughout tabletop gaming. Huh? Considering that market for tabletop RPG's has QUADRUPLED in the years since the release of 5e, I'm kinda baffled how you can see it as dividing the industry? What political war zone? Politicization of the Hobby and the LGS? Dude, you don't think that might be just a trifle overblown?
  • 04:23 AM - Hussar quoted Rygar in post Big Changes At White Wolf Following Controversy
    I disagree. At this point in time all it takes is one person to view something and post it to Twitter or Facebook, and potentially a large number of people will latch onto it and express outrage. It's very possible none of those people expressing outrage ever had any intention of purchasing said product, or even knew it existed before in the case of RPGs, but they'll announce loudly how they're going to "Boycott" the company they weren't patronizing to start out with. In the end, if the company capitulates to the "Boycott" and it was largely a group of non-customers who were outraged, the company has a serious problem. If they change the product to meet the demands of the outrage by non-customers and it runs counter to the desires of the actual customers except for the one who took offense, then there's a very high probability that the company will make a change to the product to satisfy one customer, a lot of people who still have no intention of buying the product, and they've now ...
  • 12:59 AM - Shasarak quoted Rygar in post Big Changes At White Wolf Following Controversy
    At this point in time all it takes is one person to view something and post it to Twitter or Facebook, and potentially a large number of people will latch onto it and express outrage. It's very possible none of those people expressing outrage ever had any intention of purchasing said product, or even knew it existed before in the case of RPGs, but they'll announce loudly how they're going to "Boycott" the company they weren't patronizing to start out with. If you look at it from a different angle, it provides some pretty good advertising for Camarilla and Anarch and it also gives Paradox Interactive a good excuse to axe White Wolf (which they wanted to do anyway) without any potential blow back onto them. I mean was anyone even talking about the new Vampire supplements before now?
  • 12:18 AM - Dannyalcatraz quoted Rygar in post Big Changes At White Wolf Following Controversy
    Morrus runs a very safe site, I don't think it's necessary to carefully examine all URL's posted here. OTOH, you're posting links to a website that literally bans you for supporting the President of the United States anywhere on the internet if they can connect it to you. The onus is upon you to very clearly indicate where you're linking to when linking to a site with such controversial and political policies. It's one thing to link to a standard site with standard behavior policies, it's quite another to link to a site that bans anyone who supports the sitting President. With respect and amplifying what the poster has already said: the fact that it was a “forum.rpg.net” link was clearly and plainly visible. He didn’t disguise the link with alternative/descriptive text. The onus, thus, is shifted to the reader to notice and comprehend that text.

Tuesday, 20th November, 2018

  • 09:51 PM - ruemere quoted Rygar in post Big Changes At White Wolf Following Controversy
    Could you please put a large warning when linking to RPG.net? Given the very political nature of that site and its participants, and the actions they've taken over the past few weeks, some of us would prefer to avoid giving them any traffic or revenue. Umm, I did, didn't I? All links are quoted with "forum.rpg.net" quite clearly visible to a naked eye. If you're clicking a link without reading even a plain-text part, the security of your computer may be at risk. Please do be more careful. Regards, Ruemere
  • 08:43 PM - lowkey13 quoted Rygar in post Big Changes At White Wolf Following Controversy
    I think we need to be *very* careful and *very* analytical here. I think it's critical to differentiate between word of mouth amongst the customer base, the potential customer base, individuals who have no interest in being a customer, and political activists who will not become a customer and spend their time scouring the internet for things to protest. It's something business in general is struggling with figuring out how to assess, no one really seems to know how to guage things yet. Especially with the added complexity of bot networks, astroturfing, and other shennagins. So if we want to discuss this topic, I think we need to do a lot of research. Internet and Word of Mouth are very complex topics today. It's not very complex at all. When my ox is being gored, then it's faux outrage by officious busybodies acting out of spite and partisan motivation who were never customers and probably couldn't spell cat if you provided them the "c" and the "a." When someone else's ox is being g...

Monday, 19th November, 2018

  • 11:02 PM - kenmarable quoted Rygar in post Big Changes At White Wolf Following Controversy
    Could you please put a large warning when linking to RPG.net? Given the very political nature of that site and its participants, and the actions they've taken over the past few weeks, some of us would prefer to avoid giving them any traffic or revenue. Uh... right there in the links it says "rpg.net"??? It wasn't even hidden behind text. The URLs were right there in the open. Why do WE have to post large warnings when YOU don't read a link before you clicked it? (I'll try not to be cynical and think you were just "virtue signalling" your disapproval of rpg.net.) ;)

Sunday, 18th November, 2018

  • 11:06 PM - Panda-s1 quoted Rygar in post Big Changes At White Wolf Following Controversy
    You have accused me of trolling already on this thread, but looking at your contributions here, I think it's you who seems to be guilty of this. As pointed out before, it's a straight up ad hominem. People werenot talking about the situation in Chechnya in any great numbers before this controversy, and I think quite a lot of people would acknowledge this if they are being honest. Good for you, if you knew about it - but I still think that anger against a game company is misplaced, if what they were trying to do was highlight a real world issue. Man, you can highlight a real world issue without trivializing it. You can also do better than "the Chechen leaders are actually bad vampires! O:" But also, even if this did increase social awareness to the problem I find it hard to believe people are going think it stopped because WW took it out of one of their books. I don't think you understand what is meant by calling others "NPC". It's a reference to video games where an NPC has a s...

Friday, 19th October, 2018

  • 02:12 AM - Henry quoted Rygar in post DnD Sports Changes Name To RPG Sports
    Does it? How big is the player base of D&D? We could use the rather questionable 9 million number WOTC batted around awhile ago. What percentage of that is going to spend time watching someone else roll dice and pencil in numbers on a piece of paper? Keep in mind, this is the same thing as asking what percentage of people would be interested in watching a Magic the Gathering game. Which based on their more recent tournament (Worlds I think?) was 19,000 people* (Out of a player base of reportedly 20-30 million). So we can theorize that what we're looking at is a viewer rate of about what? 6,500 to 9,000? I don't think I'd call that either a draw or an audience. Going into other RPG's, Pathfinder ends up a percentage of D&D, and everything else is going to number in the hundreds of people at best since their market penetration is really small. I suspect we'll find that its popularity is embarrassingly small, and after 2-3 events we never hear about it again. In addition to...
  • 12:43 AM - Morrus quoted Rygar in post DnD Sports Changes Name To RPG Sports
    Does it? How big is the player base of D&D? We could use the rather questionable 9 million number WOTC batted around awhile ago. The number you refer to was 15M in North America.

Saturday, 18th August, 2018

  • 01:22 AM - neuronphaser quoted Rygar in post SJG's The Fantasy Trip Opens To 3rd-Party Creators
    Isn't that the article where WOTC went on and on about how successful and popular a set of 10 authors were, and then when you looked at their products you found that the majority of them had only a few works, and a fair number of the works they were promoting were rated mediocre? Any time WOTC says *anything* I would argue it's worth a healthy dose of analysis and research. I can't think of any statement from WOTC regarding popularity in years that wasn't easily found to be less than truthful. Fair enough. Here's my additional knowledge beyond that article: *my personal sales #s *those of about a dozen out of the top several dozen sellers on the Guild (that I've seen with my own eyes) *I work in eCommerce *I'm currently working on an eCommerce project surrounding the hobby games industry With no marketing and no layout skills whatsoever I've sold over 4,000 units of my top 2 titles, a few thousand total of my less popular titles, and have made over $6k. That's NOT including Wiz...

Saturday, 11th August, 2018

  • 08:21 PM - ccs quoted Rygar in post Conventions All Report Record Attendance
    It all comes down to one simple truth. You cannot be a political activism vehicle and a mass market product. You have to be one or the other. Have you been to GenCon? Trust me, it's a mass market product.
  • 08:09 PM - Nagol quoted Rygar in post Conventions All Report Record Attendance
    There's a number of factors that have potential to effect GenCon next year... 1. MaRo's push into far left politics and his using Magic the Gathering as a vehicle. This carries strong risk of alienating a huge percentage of their customer base, and since Mtg is a product whose success depends on customer base size, since it can't be played without a minimum number of people in many events, it has a lot of potential to cause the product to largely crash. 2. The high probability that said push will carry over to D&D, same company so it's reasonable to assume that we'll soon see D&D become a vehicle. Anita's involvement with the board gaming side is a good example. 3. The events this year at GenCon with an alleged assault of a youtuber by a left wing political activist will make some unknown number of people rethink whether or not they want to attend, especially if no action is taken to redress the issue. GenCon didn't help itself by trying to ignore the whole thing either. All ...
  • 06:53 PM - zedturtle quoted Rygar in post Conventions All Report Record Attendance
    < snip > You're absolutely right. Gen Con's message of inclusivity is becoming stronger and more clear: I had lots more players this year who were women, non-binary, identified as somewhere along the LGBTQ+ spectrum and/or were people of color. And you know what? It was awesome! I always have a great team running games, but it's especially awesome when you get to include folks who might, at one time, thought gaming wasn't for them because of some noise they heard on the internet.

Tuesday, 24th July, 2018

  • 03:43 AM - Mercurius quoted Rygar in post Ravnica: Is This The New D&D Setting? [UPDATED & CONFIRMED!]
    Honestly, I *strongly* doubt we'll see Innistrad mixed with Ravenloft. I suspect Magic the Gathering is tipping off a cliff, if it hasn't already, and WOTC will no longer have any major money generator. If we're lucky, D&D will be sold to Paizo. Most likely, Hasbro will put it in a valut and try to use it as a vehicle for TV shows or movies. To quote Luke Skywalker, "What kind of talk is that?" Seriously though, you do realize that D&D is doing great financially?


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