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I play every game that does not involve trains. Trains are the devil.
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"Feel free to wax lyrical! "

Brazil...
Where hearts were entertaining June
We stood beneath an amber moon
And softly murmured someday soon...
We kissed...
And clung together
Then...
Tomorrow was another day
The morning found me miles away *
With still a million things to say
Now...
When twilight dims the skies above **
Recalling thrills of our love
There's one thing I'm certain of
Return...
I will...
to old...
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Playing D&D 3.5 and 5, running D&D 4 and 5. I am an Edition War Quisling!
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My character is impeccable. In fact, I think that's what I am going to call the next one I roll. "Impeccable, the Elf Fashionista"

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Playing D&D 3.5 and 5, running D&D 4 and 5. I am an Edition War Quisling!
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My character is impeccable. In fact, I think that's what I am going to call the next one I roll. "Impeccable, the Elf Fashionista"
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Friday, 27th October, 2017

  • 10:26 PM - Hawk Diesel mentioned DemoMonkey in post Monk Weapon
    DemoMonkey I'm not trying to knock on your play style or anything, so I hope you don't take this that way. I definitely get the idea of suspension of disbelief and the DM being an entertainer. But where this particular fudging bothers me is that it basically nullifies player choice. The choices players make are meaningful and should impact the way the game plays. Otherwise, the game becomes more like a railroad where regardless of what players choose, the outcome is the same. Movies are cool and entertaining, and I love me a good storytime, but I play D&D to engage in a new world to explore and experience things through my character. I want my choices to matter in some way. Maybe there are players and groups that are different, that's ok. But my experience as a DM has been that players generally don't like being railroaded or making decisions if in the end it all leads to the same place.

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Friday, 13th April, 2018


Friday, 6th April, 2018

  • 10:43 PM - Hussar quoted DemoMonkey in post Do We Still Need "Race" in D&D?
    So, if "Race" is an unacceptable term to some people in Fantasy, is it also an unacceptable term in Science Fiction? Is Race not an acceptable term to describe Klingons, Wookies, Green Martians, Vorlons or Daleks? If not, what is the correct term? And if it IS acceptable, then what's the distinction? Why Puppeteers but not Dwarves? Why Kryptonians but not Elves? Actually in SF it’s almost always species and not race. But apparently we can’t use species in dnd because it’s too sf sounding. :/
  • 09:43 PM - Morrus quoted DemoMonkey in post Pathfinder 2 Elves & Dwarves; Golarion In Core Rules, Playtest Process, & Ancestry Terminology
    "Ancestry" instead of race, but then "racial hit points"? That was my term, not theirs. It’s not a quote.
  • 09:15 PM - shidaku quoted DemoMonkey in post Do We Still Need "Race" in D&D?
    So, if "Race" is an unacceptable term to some people in Fantasy, is it also an unacceptable term in Science Fiction? Is Race not an acceptable term to describe Klingons, Wookies, Green Martians, Vorlons or Daleks? If not, what is the correct term? And if it IS acceptable, then what's the distinction? Why Puppeteers but not Dwarves? Why Kryptonians but not Elves? I don't see why it would be. I would think, given that sci-fi tends to be far more technical and scientifically (even psuedo-scientifically) accurate than fantasy, it would be the most appropriate place to use terms like "species", "biology", "interbreeding" and other such terms.

Wednesday, 4th April, 2018

  • 03:56 AM - Yaarel quoted DemoMonkey in post Do We Still Need "Race" in D&D?
    Am I correct in giving all different ideas their due and boiling this entire long heated discussion down to: "Race is probably the most accurate and genre appropriate word for describing different sentient fantasy creatures, but it is also a word that some people find offensive in the real world and should be changed to increase inclusiveness." ? Actually, this thread also includes contributors who argue the reallife term ‘race’ − whether in the senses of species, or breed, or ethnicity − is also wrong in the fantasy context. Their physicalities are too different for the sense of breed or ethnicity, yet the term species involves DNA genetics that dont apply in a game where creatures from the spiritual world are a given, and golems can gain sentient, sapient, life. Since ‘race’ is also a controversial term in reallife − as well as being wrong in the game anyway − there seems no reason to keep it. Even the Tolkien estate has discontinued to the term ‘race’ in their most ...

Tuesday, 3rd April, 2018

  • 10:27 PM - Legatus_Legionis quoted DemoMonkey in post Do We Still Need "Race" in D&D?
    I recall back in OD&D, we had an Elven Ranger, or a Dwarven Fighter, as race/class were the same thing for playing this type of character. Then AD&D expanded this so that we had races and they can pick classes. Then AD&D2e added non-classical races to those being playable. If we remove the term "Race", shouldn't we also remove the terms Elf, Dwarf, Halfling etc? What would those terms even be referring to without the concept of race? ... Should all characters simply be referred to as "People" with no further differentiation? What do we lose by that approach? And what do we gain? I would say alot, I'll explain below; ... Let people take X number of "ancestry" traits and it would literally define their biological ancestry. Perhaps they're just a mutt and thanks to that they've got darkvision, stonecunning and trance-sleep. Or something. One of the things I disliked with 3ed came out was how they treated classes (or lack there of), and made everything into a skill/point based sys...
  • 09:46 PM - Shasarak quoted DemoMonkey in post Do We Still Need "Race" in D&D?
    I would certainly think a cobbler would know how to properly categorize elves. To be fair he was only following the lead of a famous Professor of English Language.
  • 04:12 PM - MacConnell quoted DemoMonkey in post Do We Still Need "Race" in D&D?
    "Quick question: How many people who are arguing this issue are people of color?" All of them.
  • 02:04 PM - Jester David quoted DemoMonkey in post Do We Still Need "Race" in D&D?
    I would certainly think a cobbler would know how to properly categorize elves. Touche.
  • 11:08 AM - Shasarak quoted DemoMonkey in post Do We Still Need "Race" in D&D?
    "and to debate the mechanical implications of removing racial packages from the game." I don't think that's been explored, actually. If we eliminate race, should we also eliminate the elements that make the races different? Should Darkvision, Stonecunning, Trance (or "Keebler Coma" as my group calls it) and all the rest be available to every character in a mix-and-match fashion? Is the very concept of biological differentiation - not just the terminology - an undesirable relic? I am sure that the answer to that question must lie within the Canadian Census.
  • 07:08 AM - Lanefan quoted DemoMonkey in post Do We Still Need "Race" in D&D?
    We could use "People of Feyness", "People of Stoniness", "People of Wee-ness" and "People of Fangness", and just substitute the word "Race" with "People", maybe?So does that make Dragons the "People of Halitosis"?
  • 04:26 AM - Phasestar quoted DemoMonkey in post Do We Still Need "Race" in D&D?
    Am I correct in giving all different ideas their due and boiling this entire long heated discussion down to: "Race is probably the most accurate and genre appropriate word for describing different sentient fantasy creatures, but it is also a word that some people find offensive in the real world and should be changed to increase inclusiveness." ? Except for the last part, that's about right. If we stop using every word someone finds offensive, even if used in a completely different context, what exactly will be left? If the only requirement to stop using a word is that someone pipe up and declare that it has baggage, where is the line drawn on that? I refuse to agree to this type of useless censorship. When a word is used accurately, in good faith, with no malice and in a setting where it should not cause any possible offense, then to me the argument that it is nevertheless somehow offensive is without merit. Moreover, the proposed synonyms all have slightly different meanings and ar...
  • 02:30 AM - pemerton quoted DemoMonkey in post Do We Still Need "Race" in D&D?
    The biggest argument in favour of the OP's position? That so many posts in this thread think that this is an issue to be addressed from an in fiction perspective (eg telling us how races were created in the legendary histories of various D&D worlds) rather than from a real world persepctive, which is where the actual action is. Here's one striking illustration: this debate isn’t about the real world use of race. The debate obviously is about the use of the word "race" in the real world, ie that really-existing place where RPGing actually occurs. this is so far down on the list of things that should probably be addressed that I literally cannot see the purpose of this besides to give folks some low-hanging fruit to rally around and, well, whine about "political correctness" and "social justice". Who does this actually help? <snip> we would be much better served as a community as a whole to devote our time and energy rooting out and correcting or removing those problems than we...
  • 02:29 AM - DM Magic quoted DemoMonkey in post Do We Still Need "Race" in D&D?
    "and to debate the mechanical implications of removing racial packages from the game." I don't think that's been explored, actually. If we eliminate race, should we also eliminate the elements that make the races different? Should Darkvision, Stonecunning, Trance (or "Keebler Coma" as my group calls it) and all the rest be available to every character in a mix-and-match fashion? Is the very concept of biological differentiation - not just the terminology - an undesirable relic? Just spitballin' here, but the way I see it is, what is now called race would be called a heritage or ancestry. And that would only include biological goodies. This would remove half-orc and half-elf and other half races -- you would just have orc or elf or whatever ancestry. As for the biological goodies, people with orc-ancestry would have the stuff that comes with having orc blood (superior strength or whatever) and people with elf ancestry would have the stuff that comes with having elf blood (darkvision or wh...
  • 02:12 AM - Dannyalcatraz quoted DemoMonkey in post Do We Still Need "Race" in D&D?
    "and to debate the mechanical implications of removing racial packages from the game." I don't think that's been explored, actually. If we eliminate race, should we also eliminate the elements that make the races different? Should Darkvision, Stonecunning, Trance (or "Keebler Coma" as my group calls it) and all the rest be available to every character in a mix-and-match fashion? For D&D? IMHO, nope. Is the very concept of biological differentiation - not just the terminology - an undesirable relic? IMHO, nope.
  • 01:55 AM - Mercule quoted DemoMonkey in post Do We Still Need "Race" in D&D?
    Look, there's only TWO types of people in this argument. The ones unshakably convinced of the correctness of their opinion, and that anyone who disagrees with them deserves only contempt, and...ummm... ... Look, there's only ONE type of people in this argument.... Dude, I'm just here for the popcorn and to debate the mechanical implications of removing racial packages from the game.
  • 01:28 AM - Mallus quoted DemoMonkey in post Do We Still Need "Race" in D&D?
    Should all characters simply be referred to as "People"... “People” works well as a substitute for race. The Elven People, the Dwarven People, the Orcish People, etc. Come to think of it, there’s a fairly popular science fiction series where the interstellar civilization is called the League of Peoples.
  • 01:17 AM - Mercule quoted DemoMonkey in post Do We Still Need "Race" in D&D?
    If we remove the term "Race", shouldn't we also remove the terms Elf, Dwarf, Halfling etc? What would those terms even be referring to without the concept of race? There's actually a pretty good case for removing "dwarf", as a term -- probably better than "race", IMO. I'm not sure which use of the term is the derivation, though. The term "race" doesn't bother me. Then again, I'm a white guy living in the northern midwest. Despite knowing a pretty sizable number of folks who are not white guys (including multiple workplaces where I was the "minority"), the closest I've ever heard "race" being used with negative connotation was as part of the word "racist".

Monday, 2nd April, 2018

  • 06:10 PM - Celebrim quoted DemoMonkey in post Do We Still Need "Race" in D&D?
    Fun note: "background" starts to sound like nonsense syllables surprisingly quickly with repetition. That's because it's a redundant word. In this case, "Biology" and "Culture" would be equally meaningful without adding the word "background" to the idea.

Thursday, 14th December, 2017

  • 07:10 PM - Satyrn quoted DemoMonkey in post Players Self-Assigning Rolls
    So sure, your leg's caught in the bear trap now. You hear a bear approaching from the West. >Open Trap Your mundane words have no effect. Please try stating a goal and approach. >Use Key on Trap You enter the numbers scratched onto the beartrap. Congratulations! You have successfully registed your copy of Windows 3.1. You hear a storm approaching from the East. A bear blocks the West. >


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