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RPG Writer Zak S Accused Of Abusive Behaviour Monday, 11th February, 2019 08:55 PM

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  • 10:30 PM - raelik777 quoted Jeff Slater in post Yeah, nah.
    You completely put words in my mouth. What if it isnít the victims fault AT ALL. AND glamorizing casual sex and acting as though itís typically harmless ALSO hurts people. WOW, not everything is unidimensional . You are a pathetic key-board, virtue warrior. Look at your own moral character before you judge mine. I get what you were trying to say, but resorting to this sort of ad hominem attack does nothing to support your argument. Besides, it was misplaced and I'm not surprised it was interpreted as victim-blaming. The problem with the argument is that it is a gross over-generalization of what you call "an extremely liberal attitude towards sex". There is a whole spectrum of "attitudes towards sex" that exist outside the hetero-normative interpretation, and almost none of them represent a failing of moral character. There are almost no actual human beings that actually expect complete sexual freedom and complete emotional safety. Putting that out there is a blatant strawman, since nob...
  • 09:11 PM - Celebrim quoted Jeff Slater in post RPG Writer Zak S Accused Of Abusive Behaviour
    I know that this is a individual matter, but what do the majority of people consider to be the most reasonable and responsible action to take? Thanks. I feel I'm always in the minority in every opinion. But, I personally think that it is dangerous to conflate a person's public and private life too much. I've never approved of Zak S's lifestyle, but I never considered boycotting him because his private affairs weren't something I approved of. To do that would have felt a bit to 17th century to me, and it tended work too well back then either. I don't approve of shunning. I don't think there needs to be any organized campaign, or that we need to put a letter upon his head. I don't really think there is a right or wrong in buying one of his Pdf's, for example. I can't see how it does anyone any good either way. Not publically not buy one is a show of virtue, and I don't approve of shows of virtue. I certainly don't approve of redacting the historical record, or rescinding awards for ar...
  • 09:08 PM - Umbran quoted Jeff Slater in post RPG Writer Zak S Accused Of Abusive Behaviour
    Post Someone just earned themselves a week-long vacation from the site. Anyone else who wants to test the limits of the rules, or whether we mean it when we ask you to walk away, or cool off, should not expect much patience. Please be better than that.
  • 09:05 PM - doctorbadwolf quoted Jeff Slater in post RPG Writer Zak S Accused Of Abusive Behaviour
    Because it seems like it is a farcical statement to make. It was a perfectly reasonable suggestion to make. I know that this is a individual matter, but what do the majority of people consider to be the most reasonable and responsible action to take? Thanks. Even the fact that he consulted on the PHB has bothered me for a while. Luckily I've never purchased anything he's made himself, but if I had, I daresay I'd throw it in the trash and move on. I also don't use any of the Frog God Games products I acquired in the course of getting my hands on a ton of Kobold Press products via humble bundle, knowing their reluctance to properly address a harasser in their company. Its political because you are trying to turn the award into a popularity contest. Maybe we could name it the Jester David party for appropriate Ennie award presentation. The award is not given to the product that wins the most votes, it is given to the best product as decided by the Judges. And it is in my opinion harrassme...
  • 08:38 PM - timbannock quoted Jeff Slater in post RPG Writer Zak S Accused Of Abusive Behaviour
    Does one who likes his workóI personally have not read the copy I purchased, so I donít know whether or not I find him talentedóstop using his work altogether (and also condemn his behavior, support his victims and any legal action taken due to any laws he may have broken), OR does one do this and ALSO stop using his work entirely (even if one doesnít contribute to him financially in doing so)? I know that this is a individual matter, but what do the majority of people consider to be the most reasonable and responsible action to take? Thanks. The only thing I've supported of his (that I know of) is Vornheim, and I added the pertinent pages that I used often in my urbancrawl games to my personal GM's Binder. I will definitely remove them, stop using anything related to them and develop my own tools or find other ones to use. I will also be removing anything I can find that I've ever posted anywhere that promotes or recommends them. My reasoning is much as the Gauntlet's (above): he might...
  • 08:28 PM - Gradine quoted Jeff Slater in post RPG Writer Zak S Accused Of Abusive Behaviour
    What would the proper response be for those that would like to use his work, but refuse to support him? Would it be to get a share a copy from a friend who already owns the product and tell that friend why you are boycotting the authors products? Does one who likes his workóI personally have not read the copy I purchased, so I donít know whether or not I find him talentedóstop using his work altogether (and also condemn his behavior, support his victims and any legal action taken due to any laws he may have broken), OR does one do this and ALSO stop using his work entirely (even if one doesnít contribute to him financially in doing so)? I know that this is a individual matter, but what do the majority of people consider to be the most reasonable and responsible action to take? Thanks. The Gauntlet article posted upthread has a pretty excellent answer to this concern: "We understand that many people, some of our organizers and members alike, feel that Zak has created some compe...
  • 08:07 PM - redrick quoted Jeff Slater in post RPG Writer Zak S Accused Of Abusive Behaviour
    Because the Ennies are a product award not a political award. That would be a huge mistake to make. Abuse is not political. In fact, if we've seen anything over the lifetime of the #MeToo movement, it's that abuse cuts across all political boundaries and that every community can house predators. --EDIT-- For some reason, some other things got quoted in that were unintentional.
  • 05:55 PM - dave2008 quoted Jeff Slater in post RPG Writer Zak S Accused Of Abusive Behaviour
    No it isnít, you self-righteous jerk. This is a warning to young people, both male and female. Donít tell me what Iím doing in my comment, jerk. Take your self-satisfied, smug, moral posturing somewhere else. I said that Zach was making a cult of personality around him. I donít know him, but it looks like extremely psychopathic behavior. I donít blame the victims one bit. So shove your black and white thinking up your you know where. Jeff, what you wrote could be viewed as victim blaming, despite it not being your intent. That is an issue with interaction that is limited by the medium we are using here. I had similar thoughts when I read your post, but I assumed that was not your intent. Not everyone makes the same assumptions, that is OK and normal. When someone questions your intentions I find it is best to politely clarify and move on. EDIT: I should have read the whole thread first. I see you two had a more reasoned interaction letter on, but your "post" comment seem to undermine ...
  • 05:46 PM - Chaderick quoted Jeff Slater in post RPG Writer Zak S Accused Of Abusive Behaviour
    Disregard.
  • 05:45 PM - Umbran quoted Jeff Slater in post RPG Writer Zak S Accused Of Abusive Behaviour
    You are a pathetic key-board, virtue warrior. Look at your own moral character before you judge mine. You are done. Don't post in this thread again. For everyone else, let me remind you of the Rules. Including: Keep it inclusive: EN World is an inclusive community, and we encourage and welcome all people here. To that end, we strive to make it a welcoming place where nobody feels alienated because of who they are. You MAY NOT use the terms "agenda", "ideology", "politics", or "propaganda" in relation to the inclusion of people slightly different to you in gaming products or other media, use pejorative terms such as "social justice warrior" or "virtue signalling" to dismiss the opinions of those you disagree with, or post any message which is discriminatory towards those who differ to you in terms of skin colour, gender, gender identification, sexuality, ethnicity, nationality, age, religion, or any other personal attribute. We do not subscribe to the argument that tolerance means that ...
  • 05:15 PM - redrick quoted Jeff Slater in post RPG Writer Zak S Accused Of Abusive Behaviour
    No it isnít, you self-righteous jerk. This is a warning to young people, both male and female. Donít tell me what Iím doing in my comment, jerk. Take your self-satisfied, smug, moral posturing somewhere else. I said that Zach was making a cult of personality around him. I donít know him, but it looks like extremely psychopathic behavior. I donít blame the victims one bit. So shove your black and white thinking up your you know where. You completely put words in my mouth. What if it isnít the victims fault AT ALL. AND glamorizing casual sex and acting as though itís typically harmless ALSO hurts people. WOW, not everything is unidimensional . You are a pathetic key-board, virtue warrior. Look at your own moral character before you judge mine. Hi Jeff, I'm really not judging your character. I don't know you and I have only one instance of your speech to go on. Well, now 3. I'm not trying to be self-righteous; I'm looking to temper the desire to be righteous in these situ...
  • 05:10 PM - kenmarable quoted Jeff Slater in post RPG Writer Zak S Accused Of Abusive Behaviour
    No it isnít, you self-righteous jerk. This is a warning to young people, both male and female. Donít tell me what Iím doing in my comment, jerk. Take your self-satisfied, smug, moral posturing somewhere else. I said that Zach was making a cult of personality around him. I donít know him, but it looks like extremely psychopathic behavior. I donít blame the victims one bit. So shove your black and white thinking up your you know where. You completely put words in my mouth. What if it isnít the victims fault AT ALL. AND glamorizing casual sex and acting as though itís typically harmless ALSO hurts people. WOW, not everything is unidimensional . You are a pathetic key-board, virtue warrior. Look at your own moral character before you judge mine. Hopefully a moderator will weigh in, but seeing as you only have 3 posts, you might want to review the Forum Rules about name-calling and realize you can disagree without attacking.
  • 05:10 PM - hoshisabi quoted Jeff Slater in post RPG Writer Zak S Accused Of Abusive Behaviour
    No it isnít, you self-righteous jerk. This is a warning to young people, both male and female. Donít tell me what Iím doing in my comment, jerk. Take your self-satisfied, smug, moral posturing somewhere else. I said that Zach was making a cult of personality around him. I donít know him, but it looks like extremely psychopathic behavior. I donít blame the victims one bit. So shove your black and white thinking up your you know where.Wait wait wait guys. You guys are saying things that aren't conflicting. Calm down and let's not derail the thread. First off, if you had said "this is the challenge" instead of "this is the problem" then you might not have set people off. It is indeed a challenge for people in these relationships to navigate waters that the rest of us might avoid. But as adults they wish to travel there and we can wish them luck. BUT. It is irrelevant to this thread. Mandy says "I was young" and part of being young is trying things out, making mistakes, and finding out what ...
  • 04:45 PM - redrick quoted Jeff Slater in post RPG Writer Zak S Accused Of Abusive Behaviour
    The problem with an extremely liberal attitude towards sex is that it wants two things that arenít compatible: it wants complete sexual freedom and complete emotional safety. We have norms in sex for a reason. Not many people are emotionally set up to be polyamorous, etc. It turns out that causal sex is problematic and often hurts people, who would have guessed? And stopping every minute to say ďI consentĒ doesnít change that. This is victim blaming. The problem here wasn't that the women who came forward were polyamorous or sexually liberal. The problem was an abusive person who took advantage of them and a society that protected him. This same sort of abuse happens within the most traditional of marriages.

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