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Monday, 12th March, 2018

  • 12:16 AM - Fandabidozi quoted nitsua60 in post Adventure In The Far Future With Traveller Second Edition
    I'm not asking for an analysis of why RPGs get second editions, I'm suggesting that a simple statement of why this RPG got a second edition. Some RPGs' second editions are minor updates and completely backward-compatible. Other RPGs' second editions are completely different games from their firsts. Reading your review I'd have no idea which this is. You’ll see when Pathfinder 2.0 is released there will be no mention of 1.0 in any of the reviews whatsoever. Absolutely none. Nada. Not even the barest mention.

Saturday, 10th March, 2018

  • 03:59 AM - Charles Dunwoody quoted nitsua60 in post Adventure In The Far Future With Traveller Second Edition
    I can see that--"grossly", in retrospect, sets a bad tone. (I meant it in the sense of "I feel that without this the review is incomplete" rather than "you, sir, are a charlatan!" if that makes it any better. Maybe not.) I don't know about cutting anything--you mentioned something about "600 words" earlier but I don't know if you were just pointing out how inclusion of something about the edition change would imbalance the existing work, or if that's a restriction you have to adhere to when reviewing. If it is a word-limit thing, then hopefully it'd not be much you had to cut. Someone earlier had a one-liner that I think would probably do it, along the lines of "this is a repackaging of MGT1e with great full-color artwork throughout and minor rules fixes, completely compatible with 1e products." (If all that's true!) As for what to cut (if you need to)? The second paragraph of chargen feels like you might be able to trim a bit--the term "washout" or "debility" inserted into the previous p...
  • 03:33 AM - Charles Dunwoody quoted nitsua60 in post Adventure In The Far Future With Traveller Second Edition
    I'm sorry it came across aggressive--that was completely not my intention. I really was just trying to point out something that I thought would make the review better. My bad then. My apologies. It was the grossly inadequate that made it seem really aggressive. I will take it into consideration in future reviews. Honest question, would it be worth cutting something in the review out to go into more detail about why a 2E?
  • 02:35 AM - Vicente quoted nitsua60 in post Adventure In The Far Future With Traveller Second Edition
    I don't know why anyone/no one else has done anything. I believe this is the first review of yours that I've read. When I read it I thought to myself "I wonder why there's a second edition--is it a new game or just a minor update?" Seeing a reply button I contributed that in the hopes of improving things. Sorry for taking the time to try and give you useful feedback. I'm signing off. You were not giving useful feedback, you were criticizing the review in pretty negative terms, those are two very different things.
  • 12:01 AM - Charles Dunwoody quoted nitsua60 in post Adventure In The Far Future With Traveller Second Edition
    I'm not asking for an analysis of why RPGs get second editions, I'm suggesting that a simple statement of why this RPG got a second edition. Some RPGs' second editions are minor updates and completely backward-compatible. Other RPGs' second editions are completely different games from their firsts. Reading your review I'd have no idea which this is. 1. Like Morrus says, who cares? 2. If you are familiar with the 1st edition you know why there is a 2nd edition (Marc Miller wanted a starter set and 2E worked better for it, go to full color, update the rules, if you're truly not in the know). I reviewed Talislanta and you didn't question what edition it is. I reviewed Warhammer and you didn't ask about edition. And I reviewed Dark Sun. No edition question. In fact, no one reading my reviews questioned the edition of the game. Until now. Why is that?

Friday, 9th March, 2018

  • 11:54 PM - Morrus quoted nitsua60 in post Adventure In The Far Future With Traveller Second Edition
    I'm not asking for an analysis of why RPGs get second editions, I'm suggesting that a simple statement of why this RPG got a second edition. Some RPGs' second editions are minor updates and completely backward-compatible. Other RPGs' second editions are completely different games from their firsts. Reading your review I'd have no idea which this is. I think you're mistaking it for a history lesson. It's a short review of a current game; that's all. Who cares why the game exists? (Well, you do, clearly).
  • 11:32 PM - Charles Dunwoody quoted nitsua60 in post Adventure In The Far Future With Traveller Second Edition
    This contains much of the "comparison" I'd have found useful in the original: 2e is compatible with the previous edition, largely changes to presentation and some minor rule fixes/tweaks. Those two bits would have made the original review feel like more than just someone summarizing the back of the book/ToC to me. You are assuming I wrote the review for current Traveller players. Why would I do that? I am going to be honest. I believe you know something about Mongoose Traveller 2E already. If not, my review will fill you in. If I want to look at a new game I want to know what it does, how characters and combat work, what tools are there for GMs, and are there any adventures or sample settings for me to use? I covered that in my review. I even explain how combat reduces physical characteristics, something which is important to know if you want to understand combat. I also explain what type of campaigns a referee can run using the book. And how the book supports doing so. I covered ho...
  • 11:23 PM - Charles Dunwoody quoted nitsua60 in post Adventure In The Far Future With Traveller Second Edition
    Honestly, a 2 or 3. I do feel badly because I don't know the author and feel a little hesitant to criticize a stranger. But I felt it was enough of a deficiency in the review that I'd go ahead and put my name to pointing out where I thought it could be improved. The thing's titled "Adventure in the Far Future with Traveller Second Edition." Please do tell why there's a second edition. I appreciate that. In the review I point out it is built on Mongoose Traveller 1E and classic Traveller. You are reading a review at EN World. Do you honestly not know why 2nd editions are done for RPGs? And to give you the benefit of the doubt, even if you don't know why RPGs get 2nd editions do you believe a 600 word review on an RPG game website is the right place to explain why RPGs get 2nd editions? I don't. Traveller (by Mongoose the 2nd edition) is a complete RPG in one book. It is great sci-fi adventure and even includes a sample setting. The review does not need to cover more than the book it...
  • 09:55 PM - Morrus quoted nitsua60 in post Adventure In The Far Future With Traveller Second Edition
    I'm sorry, but a review of a product titled 2e and which is arguably the eleventh edition of a game that doesn't include--or at least link to--any sort of comparison seems grossly inadequate. How sorry would you say you are, on a scale of 1-10?
  • 09:37 PM - TrippyHippy quoted nitsua60 in post Adventure In The Far Future With Traveller Second Edition
    I'm sorry, but a review of a product titled 2e and which is arguably the eleventh edition of a game that doesn't include--or at least link to--any sort of comparison seems grossly inadequate. I could see that this might not be the place for how MGT differs from many other companies' incarnations, but at least some discussion of MGT2 vs. MGT1 seems absolutely necessary. (And some comparison of MGT1/2 to T5, the current competitor, would be warranted, in my opinion.) Really?! It's the second edition of the first edition Mongoose Traveller rules (2008) that were, in turn based on the Classic Traveller rules (1977). The new edition represents an evolution of these rules rather than a revolution, so they are mostly backwards compatible, and are built with a sense of robust and easy use in play as much as anything else. The changes in this edition are mainly cosmetic - the full colour presentation and production quality is a significant step up - and polishing the functionality of the rules. Var...
  • 09:26 PM - Charles Dunwoody quoted nitsua60 in post Adventure In The Far Future With Traveller Second Edition
    I'm sorry, but a review of a product titled 2e and which is arguably the eleventh edition of a game that doesn't include--or at least link to--any sort of comparison seems grossly inadequate. I could see that this might not be the place for how MGT differs from many other companies' incarnations, but at least some discussion of MGT2 vs. MGT1 seems absolutely necessary. (And some comparison of MGT1/2 to T5, the current competitor, would be warranted, in my opinion.) This is a review not a comparison. The core rulebook is a complete RPG. And a great one.

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