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Monday, 17th September, 2018

  • 02:09 AM - LordEntrails mentioned Shasarak in post How do you like your published settings? Static or evolving? And through what medium?
    ...er it's worth the hassle. Even worse is when players own different versions of the setting and expect to be able to use what they own...and by extension expect you-as-DM to accommodate that. My surprise was more about the amount of “setting police” players that seem to be out there, according to many posts in this and similar threads. If I want to use the 1e gray-box version of Forgotten Realms (maybe with some additions of my own), and one player is expecting the 3e version because that's what she's used to, while another player is looking for the post-apocalypse 4e version - yeah, there's going to be some mismatched expectations up front followed inevitably by erroneous assumptions during play. The only way to avoid this is to not use FR as a setting.... On the other hand instead of not using FR as a setting you could say that the campaign is starting in Year 1357 DR and run from there. In 40 years of running all types of campaigns I've never run into a problem like those. Shasarak's solution has always worked for me and I've never made a big deal about it and I don't remember a single player ever complaining or even asking about it. Again, I don't see why a timeline doesn't work. It has always worked for me. I guess I'm just special.

Tuesday, 24th July, 2018

  • 05:51 AM - pemerton mentioned Shasarak in post A discussion of metagame concepts in game design
    Why would you leave out the official quote I provided for you that a dragon being magical in combination with the wing strength is how it flies. It makes it appear that you argue disingenuously when you do things like this. (1) I was replying to Shasarak, who I thought was suggesting that flying dragons are physically possible. (2) That is inlcuded in my (iii): it doesn't really make sense to think of the world of D&D using such scientific categories as gravity and fluid mechanics. A world in which beings have "innate magic" that combines with their muscualture to let them fly is not a world in which scientific categories such as gravity and fluid mechanics have application. (Whichi was TwoSix's point some way upthread.) I also think it is worth nothing that in 3E (at least according to the d20srd) a dragon's flight is not SU. Of course they are biomechanically possible. That is what the physics says. What kind of respiratory system does a DnD Arthrod have? Maybe you are imagining the wrong sort.I'm talking about the real world. Are you asserting that D&D giants are biomechanically possible in the real world? If you are, that's interesting because I thought the general opinion was that, with the possible exception of fi...

Monday, 23rd July, 2018

  • 04:03 PM - Kobold Boots mentioned Shasarak in post A discussion of metagame concepts in game design
    @pemerton, Shasarak The gravity conversation interests me if only for the two points that immediately come to mind. 1. Gravitational forces assuming 1G constant will not prevent really large things from flying given enough lift and thrust. Similarly it will not prevent large bone and muscle mass creatures from evolving given the right circumstances. 2. Whether or not something is magical or not really depends on whether or not your sensibilities allow for something to exist in a conventional physics sense or not. (e.g. This huge dragon isn't airflow optimized and his wings aren't large enough to provide lift or gliding control so it has to be magic.. ) Note that where physics ends and magic begins in any person's world is a personal thing and may actually vary depending on the subject. The huge dragon may require magic to fly (and may have learned enough to do so) whereas the smaller one may not require it to fly (and as such may have developed its own tricks instead.) Regardless, the physics/magi...

Tuesday, 17th October, 2017

  • 10:22 AM - pemerton mentioned Shasarak in post RPG Combat: Sport or War?
    I'd like to stress that when playing a 'grittier' RPG system, you have less freedom, in a way: Since combat is lethal, it's something that must be avoided at all cost. Players _must_ come up with ways to overcome their opposition by means other than open combat, otherwise your campaign is going to be short-lived.For me, this illustrates the point I've been making upthread, to Saelorn, Shasarak and billd91. In a genuinely grim & gritty RPG, ambushing someone with a sword, or a crossbow, should be (more-or-less) as dangerous as dropping a rock on them. It's purely an artefact of D&D's mechanics, which rates a sword at d8 or d10 but leaves the rating of a boulder to the GM, that results in a fighter being unable to kill someone in a weapon ambush but able- at least at the tables of those GMs mentioned - to kill someone with a boulder ambush. Which once again relates back to Aenghus's point, that the effectiveness of the boulder vs the sword turns primarily on end-running around the damage rules. It's entirely an artefact of mechanics, not of "narrative first". In a "narrative first" game involving people of "flesh and bone" (to quote Saelorn), an ambush with a sword or bow should be capable of lethality. (And in games like RuneQuest, Rolemaster, Burning Wheel, etc - ie with broadly simulationist action resolution mechanics - it is.) But D&D chooses to subordinate letha...

Friday, 7th July, 2017

  • 05:02 AM - hawkeyefan mentioned Shasarak in post Mearls on other settings
    ...terest them. This way, DMs can easily keep unwanted assumptions 100% out of their rulebooks and their games. In my own case, if the Great Wheel of Planescape and all of its polytheism was a separate expansion pack, while the Players Handbook made no mention to it, then I would be at peace and able to enjoy the game better. Different DMs are sensitive to different things, but we can all benefit from compartmentalizing the options. I disagree that it's WotC's responsibility to cater to the sensitivities of DMs and players. I think it's up to the DMs and players themselves to decide what material to use or not. I mean, I get the appeal of rule books written exactly to my personal preference...but it's simply not a realistic expectation. So Ravenloft was never meant to be a living setting in its own.? It's only visited from others? That's where my lack of history trips me up :) I thought it was a fully fledged setting that could host campaigns without needing outside support? As Shasarak said, the many realms that made up the Demiplane of Dread, the setting for the Ravenloft game, were each made for a particular dark lord. These realms were the domain of a dark lord, but also their prison as well. Each of these dark lords was taken from another world...Toril, Oerth, Krynn, or any number of unnamed worlds. Typically, the PCs in Ravenloft adventures are drawn through the misty barriwrs from their world and into the demiplane of dread. So the setting was its own, but it was conmected to the other worlds and interacted with them.

Friday, 23rd June, 2017

  • 05:32 AM - Yaarel mentioned Shasarak in post Why FR Is "Hated"
    @Shasarak and @Azzy You are kinda proving my point about ‘D&D peer pressure’ to pretend to ‘worship’ ‘gods’. If I told you, I hate Kobolds. I imagine your response would be something like. Thats nice. I dont care. But when I say, I hate polytheism. You guys seem as if unable to stop yourself from launching into some kind of reallife culture war about issues that I couldnt care less about. I enjoy D&D without ‘gods’. I watch televisions shows where polytheism is irrelevant. I want to play games where it is irrelevant too.

Monday, 12th June, 2017

  • 02:30 AM - Hussar mentioned Shasarak in post Why FR Is "Hated"
    It's interesting that you bring up Caderly Shasarak. That's one of the few FR books I actually have read. Although, it was a LONG time ago and I don't think I read all of them. Wasn't there something about a killer yo-yo in those books? Anyway, think about what you just said though. Cadderly is the exception. Most of the priests don't adventure, and never did. Yet, funnily enough, there were higher level clerics than Cadderly at his temple. How did they gain levels? They specifically weren't adventurers, so, what did they kill or loot in order to gain several thousand xp points to go from 1st to, say, 3rd level. Just to roll this back to the idea of NPC's using PC rules. Lanefan spells it out pretty well. In AD&D, sure, you could use NPC rules for a humanoid (and only a humanoid - sorry, no class levels for your beholder), or, you could kinda sorta just bolt on some PC abilities onto an NPC, or, as was the much more common case, you could use a unique stat block. 3e changed all that. Not only did you have the option of...

Friday, 19th May, 2017

  • 12:34 AM - robus mentioned Shasarak in post To Post or Not to Post: An Ethics Question
    Something that is being ignored is fair use. I'm not saying that this is a case of that (I'm not a copyright lawyer) but it certainly sounds like the work is transformative (by recontextualizing the works) and there is certainly no impact on the "market" as the works have already been freely shared on the Internet. So the legality and the ethics are not as cut and dried as they may appear. And Shasarak is correct that an awful lot of stuff on the internet would be illegal if including others work was the only criteria.
  • 12:00 AM - LordEntrails mentioned Shasarak in post To Post or Not to Post: An Ethics Question
    Shasarak, I know where you are going with this. And I'm not going to have a debate with you about it. Suffice it to say in your country and mine what you are suggesting is illegal. In almost every ethical system what you are suggesting is unethical.

Saturday, 15th April, 2017

  • 01:41 AM - LordEntrails mentioned Shasarak in post We're Finally Mainstream! Now What?
    Shasarak, I simply can't follow your arguments. It seems like you are taking comments and arguments from anyone that doesn't side with you as being all in one pool, or something. But anyways, it doesn't matter. Labels are only as good as people are willing to agree upon them and use them consistantly. Which isn't happening here.

Tuesday, 14th February, 2017

  • 03:28 PM - Sadras mentioned Shasarak in post Whatever "lore" is, it isn't "rules."
    Simply having an opinion about a call is nothing to apologize for. Here is the thing though Max, doesn't a Onetruewayism zealot also state their opinion? It becomes increasingly messy to differentiate which unfavourable opinion of one's game is tolerable and which one is not. This might all just be a simple matter of etiquette. @Shasarak did the exact same thing with me in the other thread, calling me a lazy DM because I don't allow every character concept under the sun at my table when I DM. It ain't right either way. His style and my style are clearly different, but we shouldn't go around making disparaging remarks of each others preferences. Hiding behind it just an opinion doesn't give it a free pass. Sorry. EDIT: We cross-posted. Just saw your post above. ;)

Sunday, 12th February, 2017

  • 01:04 AM - pemerton mentioned Shasarak in post Whatever "lore" is, it isn't "rules."
    Imaro, Maxperson, Shasarak: Wizards Presents: Worlds & Monsters, p 62: [T]he design for elementals themselves had to change. . . . The elemental archons are a good example of a new creature born of this design approach. THey were created by the primordials to be elite soldiers . . . In the elemental hierarchy, they form the basis of world-scouring armies. The designers know that these are new creatures - they are not a reconcepting of Jeff Grubb's creation. It surprises me that this is even contentious. Again, contrast eladrin: from pp 40-41 of the same book: Some of the existing good-aligned monsters did incorporate neeat designs that we wanted to preserve and improve upon. Most of the eladrins fell into that category. . . . [W]e noted their generally fey appearance, and this led to a natural association with the Feywild. . . . Eladrins were already powerful magical beings in previous editions of the game. Now they have a very similar role, but as mysterious lords and ladies of the Feywild. When they a...

Saturday, 4th February, 2017

  • 04:20 AM - pemerton mentioned Shasarak in post Whatever "lore" is, it isn't "rules."
    what inherent value would you say it has for you to hew as closely as possible to what feels like the structural essence or foundation of the setting? I asked (a version of) this question on the other thread. Shasarak answered - roughly (but I hope not too loose a paraphrase) the answer was that the setting is a work of art, and departure from canon is a type of "affront" to the artwork. ("Affront" is my word, not Shasarak's - it's not quite right, becuase the artwork doesn't itself have feelings, but for present purposes hopefully it conveys the general idea in a comprehensible fashion.) Respect for my players. If I tell them I'm going to run Darksun, I feel obligated to give them Darksun, not some bastardized version.This seems to imply that one of the reasons you think that my decision to include the WoHS in my GH game was that it disrespected my players. If that is correct, it makes it even more odd to me that you haven't made any inquiries about the circumstances of the case. Is it relevant, for instance, that I started GMing that group as the outcome of a "revolt" against a prior GM whom the rest of us all agreed was terrible - and that it was on the basis of an offer to run a game ...
  • 04:04 AM - pemerton mentioned Shasarak in post Whatever "lore" is, it isn't "rules."
    ...s there are? Maybe they liked the extra magic sub system?Well they clearly liked the magic system, given that they engaged with it via PC building when they were under no obligation to do so. They also liked the story. (I think it's a fairly compelling one. That's why I put it into my game!) But some of them were certainly quite familiar with GH. And even those who didn't know it very well would have seen the well-known cover of Unearthed Arcana with its two moons. I think they simply realised that two visible moons doesn't preclude a third invisible one. I'm not saying that the 3rd moon is canon - of course it's not. I'm saying that adding it doesn't make the game cease to be a GH game. Any RPGing will mean that the setting takes on non-canonical features/elements.I think most Greyhawk GMs would agree with you there.Maybe. That said, this thread consists of a significant number of posts - from Maxperson, Imaro and maybe some other posters (eg I'm less clear about Shasarak on this poiint) - stating that my GH game is not really a GH game precisely because of addditional elements - like the 3rd moon, and the WoHS to go with it - that I have introduced. there's a differences between grabbing someone's work whole cloth and dropping it into your setting, slightly modifying someone else's work and using another's idea as inspiration to springboard off of for your own creation.This is not in dispute either. In my case, the WoHS are dropped largely whole-cloth into GH, with only as many changes made (Suel origins, astronomical details, relationships to other sorcerous traditions) as are needed to have them fit into their new home. My claim is that such a whole-cloth drop (with such slight modifications as are needed to make it work) doesn't make the game cease to be a GH one. as more material got published for campaign settings as well as in Dragon Magazine and in novels, there were a lot more players cropping up with passing familiarity in the se...

Tuesday, 31st January, 2017

  • 03:02 AM - Maxperson mentioned Shasarak in post Whatever "lore" is, it isn't "rules."
    But the only reason you have given for it being "alternative GH" rathwr than GH per se is that you, Maxperson, would have certain expectations disappointed. You have expressly eschewed offering any reason that is not individual and particular to you. Pretty much everyone has a line where settings stop being that setting. It varies from person to person, so of course I can't speak to anyone but myself. My line isn't your line. Your line isn't Shasarak's line. His line isn't Imaro's, and so on. The line does exist for everyone, though. How is that a reason for judging whether or not it is really a GH game (as oppposed to, say, a game that you want to play in).I didn't say I wouldn't want to play in it. I said I wouldn't view it as Greyhawk.

Saturday, 28th January, 2017

  • 08:01 AM - Sadras mentioned Shasarak in post Do you care about setting "canon"?
    ... if you're playing canon, the setting of Krynn doesn't cater for those races, however we have a PHB and now Volo's Guide riddled with additional races and classes which do not have a history in that setting. Now If the intention of the DM is to create a game within the parameters of setting are you saying that is not allowable? Similarly, I have my own limitation for my setting, I don't permit monks at my table for whatever reason for my Mystara game. The players know this beforehand. We have been playing within this setting for the last 20 years and they're very much aware of this ruling. It is not as if they are coming every week to my table with a character sheet and I'm going "No, not happening" Not pre-adding everything that a player could possibly want to your campaign setting, and telling a player you won't add in a specific something they like under any circumstance are worlds apart. The former is fine, not at all lazy, and not what was being discussed. The later is what @Shasarak called "lazy". Sorry no you're very much misrepresenting him. @Shasarak has very much outed his intentions by neither responding to my post or @Caliban's. He firmly said that all should be allowed otherwise it's lazy DMing. I'm assuming this is because he still carries the scars of a bad DM or his players have limited (lazy) imaginations and can only play one-trick ponies.
  • 07:49 AM - AaronOfBarbaria mentioned Shasarak in post Do you care about setting "canon"?
    [MENTION=6701872]Apparently Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman were lazy because they did not allow Tieflings, Orcs, Half-Orcs, Drow and Lyncathropes in Krynn.Unless you have anecdotes of those two refusing to work something out with a player wanting to play one of those things, you've created a false equivalence. Not pre-adding everything that a player could possibly want to your campaign setting, and telling a player you won't add in a specific something they like under any circumstance are worlds apart. The former is fine, not at all lazy, and not what was being discussed. The later is what Shasarak called "lazy".
  • 06:58 AM - Sadras mentioned Shasarak in post Do you care about setting "canon"?
    However, I generally do try to work together with the player, but not always. There are some races that simply don't fit, or I'm simply not willing to deal with. That's my prerogative as a DM. AaronOfBarbaria doesn't follow that line of reasoning, neither does his head-scratching friend Shasarak. The former posted his reasoning in the Capricious Home Rules and DM Pet Peeves thread. The latter is so entitled that he casually calls the rest of us lazy. Apparently Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman were lazy because they did not allow Tieflings, Orcs, Half-Orcs, Drow and Lyncathropes in Krynn. Lazy DMs those two. How about all the other world builders who didn't include Kender. Lazy! And now with Volo's Guide, well you just cannot imagine how many Lazy DM's are out there these days. Its an epidemic I tell you!
  • 02:38 AM - AaronOfBarbaria mentioned Shasarak in post Do you care about setting "canon"?
    I also don't like to eat liver. It tastes horrible to me.Using your analogy, and attempting to explain what appears to be Shasarak's view that you just don't seem to be getting: Not eating liver because you don't like the taste makes perfect sense. I don't eat liver either, interestingly enough. But when you say "No dragonborn at my table." it doesn't sound like you are saying "No liver for me, thanks." so much as it sounds like "No liver for anyone eating at the same table as me."

Thursday, 19th January, 2017

  • 09:56 AM - pemerton mentioned Shasarak in post Do you care about setting "canon"?
    ...au trope, and it makes the ancient empire trope carried by the Suel pick up stupid backage. All the Suel and the Scarlet Brotherhood have going for them is that they are workings out of these pulp tropes, so once you dilute them you just get less compelling stuff. *The inclusion of a cult of Chauntea in module OA7 - which introduces needless and distracting FR-isms into an otherwise very good module that, more than any other OA module except perhaps OA3, actually makes tropes around the Celestial Bureaucracy, immortality, peachling children, etc central to play. Look, this thread is 163 pages of people mostly trying to explain to you why canon is important to them. At some point you just need to accept that it is a concept you don't understand. I think you're misunderstanding me, or underestimating me, or both. I can read the posts. I can draw inferences from what is said. I'm inviting posters, though, to actually articulate the value that is moving them to care about canon. Shasarak has done this not too far upthread. But some other posters seem to shy away from it: eg they feel like they need to advance instrumental reasons (eg "players will get confused if canon changes") when it seems transparently clear that their concern is not instrumental; or they try and defend blanket claims about the importance of adherence to canon, yet in doing so put forward examples where canon has changed rather markedly (eg what, if anything, differentiates D&D orcs from JRRT's, or D&D orcs from D&D hobgoblins). I think some notion of "integrity of a body of work" is probably in the right neighbourhood for a number of posters other than just Shasarak, but the criteria by which integrity is judged could probably bear more elaboration. For instance, what sorts of trade-offs between thematic integrity and "factual" integrity are permissible (eg can we get rid of earthbergs to get something that is more fitting to the themes of Norse mythology - ie foster thematic integrity - even t...


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Friday, 19th October, 2018

  • 09:42 AM - Jhaelen quoted Shasarak in post Do your Political Views shape how your villains and heroes act?
    The latter is entirely human, based in interesting human psychology, visible in many places in human history, and also textbook capital-E Evil.Is it, though? This is exactly the kind of attitude I've seen in plenty of Paladin PCs. They don't mind committing genocide if they believe a species to be 'inherently evil'. Thanks to D&D's crappy alignment system this works perfectly fine. I can not think of any famous iconic DnD villain that is just a misguided good person.And what does this tell you about D&D's villains? Most of them _are_ one-dimensional and cartoonish. The better ones at least have an interesting background, e.g. Dragonlance's Lord Soth or Strahd von Zarovich (although his tragic back-story was retro-fitted). In Eberron there's the Lord of Blades who is a fairly ambiguous character. In 13th Age there's the Crusader Icon that perfectly personifies what I consider an interesting villain. Here's a quote from the 'Common Knowledge' about him in the 13th Age Core Rules: If the enem...

Thursday, 18th October, 2018

  • 11:33 PM - Thomas Bowman quoted Shasarak in post Do your Political Views shape how your villains and heroes act?
    No, he is pretty much just Evil. Yes he's evil, but he rationalizes his evil, whereas Steppenwolf doesn't bother and doesn't care, he just wants what he wants.
  • 08:32 AM - Jhaelen quoted Shasarak in post Do your Political Views shape how your villains and heroes act?
    I really do not see how you could play real life political views in a DnD game. I mean for a start you have Villains who really are Evil rather then merely crooked and illegal aliens that really are Alien.That's not quite true. I actually consider villains that are simply 'Evil' (with a capital 'E', no less) considerably less interesting than villains that are just misguided. Villains should have comprehensible motivations. If you want to be really clever, create villains with goals that aren't actually much different from the PCs. That's guaranteed to generate some interesting roleplaying opportunities.
  • 07:02 AM - pemerton quoted Shasarak in post What DM flaw has caused you to actually leave a game?
    You know the old saying of 30 minutes of fun packed into 4 hours of play? Well that does not happen by itself, someone has to work hard to pad out the game that much.Some of the suggestions that getting sent on GM-initiated fetch quests or whatever by the patron is part of the "cost" of playing a warlock did make me think of this. It's as if the "cost" is content that (in the posited example) no one at the table (except perhaps the GM) wants.

Wednesday, 17th October, 2018

  • 12:16 PM - Lanefan quoted Shasarak in post What DM flaw has caused you to actually leave a game?
    Dont forget that one of those monsters has a pet Tiger following them around. So exactly how salty is the NPC Barkeep going to get, really?Er...so in other words a monster with a pet monster. This just keeps getting better! :)
  • 05:54 AM - Lanefan quoted Shasarak in post What DM flaw has caused you to actually leave a game?
    The problem is, when you really get down to it, the NPCs need the PCs much more then the PCs need the NPCs. Sure your "civilised" inhabitants of the game world can get all high and mighty about treating my Warforged PC as a monster and on the other hand who is going to save them from the real monster of the week? So one monster saves them from another monster. They still have a monster to deal with... :)

Thursday, 11th October, 2018


Monday, 8th October, 2018

  • 01:48 PM - Aldarc quoted Shasarak in post Why D&D Can't Have a Good Video Game
    I ask "Remember when we used to have good DnD video games back before someone decided that they all needed to be first person shooter games"Nah, the times have changed. Apparently they should all nowadays be like the Witcher and Assassin's Creed.
  • 09:20 AM - Lanefan quoted Shasarak in post Mearls On D&D's Design Premises/Goals
    I have to say that I have never heard that particular argument before. I heard it constantly during and for a while after the 3e release, and I think it valid. Is there any evidence that the RPG team had anything to do with the CCG team? The actual teams were separate AFAIK, but they both worked for the same boss/company in the same place and the cross-influence is clear. Around the same time there was also a lot of talk (and considerable resistance, which never quite made sense to me) about actually cross-pollenating the games - have iconic D&D monsters show up as Magic cards, for example, and use Magic settings* and storylines for D&D. - this at least, 15+ years later, is finally starting to happen. Remembering that WotC essentially absorbed the TSR team.Such as it was...

Tuesday, 2nd October, 2018

  • 08:53 PM - Greg Benage quoted Shasarak in post Roll20 users; are my impressions right or wrong on this
    I think that it is disingenuous to claim that because you think society at large discriminates against women, people of color, LGBTQ folks and other marginalized groups that the roleplaying hobby therefore must discriminate against women, people of color, LGBTQ folks and other marginalized groups. The roleplaying hobby has historically been unwelcoming and in some cases blatantly hostile to women, people of color, LGBTQ folks and other marginalized groups. That's a fact that I wouldn't have thought is in dispute. Even if the rest of society were the paragon of equality, this would still be a fact. I'm also not sure why you continue to focus on "discrimination," when it's been repeatedly pointed out to you that we're talking about being more welcoming and inclusive. Lets look at real discrimination in the roleplaying hobby; BADD or Bothered About Dungeons and Dragons does not even focus on Race or Sex or Minorities or any kind. In fact it discriminates against Christians, the majority of p...
  • 08:50 PM - billd91 quoted Shasarak in post Roll20 users; are my impressions right or wrong on this
    I think that it is disingenuous to claim that because you think society at large discriminates against women, people of color, LGBTQ folks and other marginalized groups that the roleplaying hobby therefore must discriminate against women, people of color, LGBTQ folks and other marginalized groups. It is just not true. For evidence of that you can look at the rules themselves. The worst that you can claim is that women characters are discrinated against by having a cap put on their strength score and that you can not find any pictures of people of colour. Thats it. That is your discrimination. What would Rosa Parks think of that kind of discrimination? There is no one telling her to move to the back of the roleplaying bus. Lets look at real discrimination in the roleplaying hobby; BADD or Bothered About Dungeons and Dragons does not even focus on Race or Sex or Minorities or any kind. In fact it discriminates against Christians, the majority of people playing in some areas of th...
  • 08:47 PM - Umbran quoted Shasarak in post Roll20 users; are my impressions right or wrong on this
    I think that it is disingenuous to claim that because you think society at large discriminates against women, people of color, LGBTQ folks and other marginalized groups that the roleplaying hobby therefore must discriminate against women, people of color, LGBTQ folks and other marginalized groups. Okay, hold on a second. Because I think society at large discriminates? For sake of this discussion, you don't accept that posit as a given? That it is I think rather than it is the case that? You call them marginalized yourself - how do you get marginalized, except by discrimination? If you don't accept that the discrimination does happen in society as a whole... there is not a whole lot of point in continuing this discussion.
  • 03:35 PM - Umbran quoted Shasarak in post Roll20 users; are my impressions right or wrong on this
    She does not say anything about being discriminated against by the ADnD rules. By the rules? Moving goalpost! We were not stipulating that the discrimination in the game was in the rules. You yourself pointed at MADD, and sure as heck they aren't in the rules. No, we aren't talking about discrimination in the rules, specifically (though rules that limit character stats for female characters probably count), but in the hobby in general - so in the rules, in the art, in the representation of women in adventures, and how women are (or aren't) invited to join games, and how they are treated at the table.

Monday, 1st October, 2018

  • 05:22 AM - Dannyalcatraz quoted Shasarak in post Roll20 users; are my impressions right or wrong on this
    You mean like this fella? 101956 He is a white guy right? Well, He always saves, so...
  • 05:21 AM - Tun Kai Poh quoted Shasarak in post Roll20 users; are my impressions right or wrong on this
    I have listened to women like Lisa Stevens that started in the very earliest days of DnD. She does not say anything about being discriminated against by the ADnD rules. In fact her groups always had a lot of women players. Clearly Lisa Stevens thinks gamers can do better to represent women and other disadvantaged groups. Let her actions speak: look at the representation in the pages of a Pathfinder book and compare with AD&D. We can do much better than we did back then and we should.
  • 03:11 AM - Dannyalcatraz quoted Shasarak in post Roll20 users; are my impressions right or wrong on this
    I dont see how those black and white pictures in the ADnD books were discriminating against anyone. I guess if you thought it was a cartoon book then you were being discriminated against I suppose. Other than a complete dearth on non-Caucasians? Even when non-Caucasians were being depicted? 101953 OK. How about when we started getting full color illustrations for interior art? 101952 Sooooooo Egyptian, amirite?
  • 01:02 AM - Umbran quoted Shasarak in post Roll20 users; are my impressions right or wrong on this
    Thats not actually true though, is it. As far as I am aware... Maybe you should make yourself more aware. Go find a a couple women or minority folks you don't already know, who have been playing for a couple of decades, and talk to them about their experiences. That will be anecdotal, but it will be a start.

Sunday, 30th September, 2018

  • 10:35 PM - Greg Benage quoted Shasarak in post Roll20 users; are my impressions right or wrong on this
    Thats not actually true though, is it. As far as I am aware the only really discrimination in roleplaying was during the M.A.D.D. era and that was mainly focused against white males. Oh, come on. Look at how women were presented in the AD&D books, for example. Try to find *any* representation of people of color. You probably don't come up with much until "Oriental Adventures" was released. ::facepalm::

Saturday, 29th September, 2018


Thursday, 27th September, 2018

  • 06:38 AM - Sepulchrave II quoted Shasarak in post Post Roman D&D setting with magic and Roman Gods
    What was the alternate narrative? Leo flees Rome (accused of adultery) and runs to Charlemagne. They cut a deal - reinstate me as Pope, and I'll crown you Emperor of the West. Carolus Magnus obliges. They arrange a "surprise" in St Peter's Cathedral on the eight hundredth anniversary of the birth of Our Lord while Charles is "praying devoutly." Carl's humility and piety are played up; Alcuin - or whoever Charlie's crony scribe was - records the story of how Karl reluctantly accepts his burden, with appropriate solemnity. Charlemagne's ambition was colossal; he was making a bid for the Byzantine Throne - he was already making overtures toward Irene of Athens, and she was considering marriage. Had he succeeded, he would have essentially reunited the Empire. Leo got his pontificate back and established the precedent that it is the Pope who appoints the Emperor of the Romans. It was a pretty sweet deal for both of them.


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