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[Thread from 2005] Ridiculing People Who Want to Talk About 4E - Okay on ENWorld?
Relatively new poster here.
I would like to know why the admins see fit to allow certain posters to come into a legitimate 4e thread and say “not again!” Or to “joke” about the subject.
Such “not again” posts and “jokes” are (1) thread hijacks, as they turn an attempted serious discussion into a “joke” fest and (2) they are veiled forms or ridicule of those who want to talk about 4e.
Anyone who is tired of 4e threads does not need to read or post to them. Yet, the same posters time and again do the same thing. It would seem if one cannot meaningfully contribute they should not post.
No, it's not OK. If you see problem posts, please report them using the report post button in the bottom left of any post. That way, the moderators will be made aware of any problems.
On the other hand, Russ, the fact that people keep on posting about this topic is getting irritating. It's like the old days of "rangers got the shaft" threads. We know there's not going to be a 4th edition. It doesn't need to be discussed. In fact, it's annoying that people keep bringing up.
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On the other hand, Russ, the fact that people keep on posting about this topic is getting irritating. It's like the old days of "rangers got the shaft" threads. We know there's not going to be a 4th edition. It doesn't need to be discussed. In fact, it's annoying that people keep bringing up.
That's too bad, Ryan. If people want to talk about that, who's to say they can't? I don't think you'd like it if people were trying to dictate which of your posts were interesting enough to be allowed and which weren't.
Just because you've had the conversation, doesn't mean that everybody else has. Would you walk into a bar and insist that everyone there cease discussing things you've discussed before?
If someone's having a conversation you're not interested in, then don't join in.
Don't mind me. I'm just irritable with a headache.
__________________ Ryan "RangerWickett" Nock
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I suppose it is somewhat surprising to see the threads keep cropping up after WotC announced at Gen Con that they would provide at least a 1 year notice window before any theoretical 4E is realeased. I would think people would be through hashing it out, but apparently not. I don't understand why people would keep posting denigrating thoughts in the threads though. I don't read them, I'm not compelled to read them. Once there is an announcement of 4E, I might find thema little more interesting. Until then, I have no interest.
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Ok, I am guilty of adding to it... , but it is just amazing to see the denials and ayes on the whole thing.
In the long run, if and when it happens, it will be so. For now...people will dally with the possibility of it. Which of course...just irrate those who wish to avoid such changes in the first place. Like me, I was a 2nd ED man, through and through...but 3E got me interested, and thus I adapted.
I would like to know why the admins see fit to allow certain posters to come into a legitimate 4e thread and say “not again!” Or to “joke” about the subject.
lemme "Me too!" morrus. We mods and them admins have got lots of stuff going on, and these are very active boards. There are three situations under which rules are broken on the boards:
1) Someone breaks a rule, and nobody is upset about it. Honestly, in such cases, it's hard for the mods to get upset about it either: the rules are in place to keep the boards running smoothly and happily, and if everyone's happy, there's no reason for us to harsh anyone's buzz.
2) Someone breaks a rule, and someone else is upset about it, but they don't bother to report it. Honestly, in such cases, it's hard for me to feel too bad about my own inaction. The "report a post" function is set up so that when a post upsets you, you can let us know about it. If you're not using this functionality, then we can't know that you're upset.
3) Someone breaks a rule, and someone else is upset about it, and they report it. In this case, we mods spring into action like a crack team of ninjas.
Note that sometimes we look at a reported post and say, "Whu-?" We won't always agree with you that a particular post breaks the board rules, but I guarantee you that if a post is reported, at least one (and usually several) mods will take a gander and see if it's all right.
Daniel
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That's too bad, Ryan. If people want to talk about that, who's to say they can't? I don't think you'd like it if people were trying to dictate which of your posts were interesting enough to be allowed and which weren't.
Just because you've had the conversation, doesn't mean that everybody else has. Would you walk into a bar and insist that everyone there cease discussing things you've discussed before?
If someone's having a conversation you're not interested in, then don't join in.
not on the subject of 4ed threads in particular... but count me as guilty as charged. sorry for that...
but when i see the same old threads saying the same old things. i usually type my same old response.
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you happen to say that 4E reminds you of the reasons you decided against a career as a special-Ed teacher--noted rpg author Darrin Drader
1) Someone breaks a rule, and nobody is upset about it. Honestly, in such cases, it's hard for the mods to get upset about it either: the rules are in place to keep the boards running smoothly and happily, and if everyone's happy, there's no reason for us to harsh anyone's buzz.
2) Someone breaks a rule, and someone else is upset about it, but they don't bother to report it. Honestly, in such cases, it's hard for me to feel too bad about my own inaction. The "report a post" function is set up so that when a post upsets you, you can let us know about it. If you're not using this functionality, then we can't know that you're upset.
3) Someone breaks a rule, and someone else is upset about it, and they report it. In this case, we mods spring into action like a crack team of ninjas.
You forgot #4, which is what happened in that 4e thread:
4) Someone breaks a rule, someone else is upset about it and they respond in a manner best suited to sparking a flamewar, and then report it.
my favorite is #5. no one broke a rule. someone reports it. and then posts a thread in meta to make sure the mods know they reported it. and then call out the mods in public to blast them for not doing anything.
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OMG! The SKY IS FALLING! --JoeGKushner
Myself, I plan to masturbate less -- der_kluge
I know that I've never really liked d20. I think it was designed by a bunch of hacks --- Monte Cook
I am sickened beyond belief. The half-orc wizard is obviously the best possible PC, and I only had to read 10 pages of the book to figure it out. D&D is dead to me! -- Mike Mearls
FWIW, I'm on the design team and I pretty much find WoW as fun and interesting as banging my head against a brick wall. -- Mike Mearls
you happen to say that 4E reminds you of the reasons you decided against a career as a special-Ed teacher--noted rpg author Darrin Drader
The thing I find amusing enough to make comment on, but not so annoying as to report a post for breaking the rules, is that people keep starting NEW threads on the same subject as if the plethora of other recently started threads are so chock full of divergent 4E ideas as to have no room for their personal, unique perspective. The mods and admins should probably start combining 4E threads to discourage the uneeded, new 4E thread-starting trend that has begun. It's clearly beginning to get out of hand if people are starting Meta threads about how many people are voicing some opinion on the number of threads on the suubject, ALA SW or LotR threads in their day. Obviously, the solution is not to read them but until I made my comment in the most recent one I really had hoped there would be some new news on things, which plainly isn't going to be the case. Trouble is, the subject lines and the information in the initial post are often misleading, disallowing you to note it as yet another rumor thread and simply ignore it. Maybe if threads can't be combined, mods and admins can adjust the subject lines to avoid rumors being put forth as news.
You forgot #4, which is what happened in that 4e thread:
4) Someone breaks a rule, someone else is upset about it and they respond in a manner best suited to sparking a flamewar, and then report it.
That may be--like I said, we don't get to read every single post on the boards.
If the Someone#2 reports Someone#1's bad post and then makes a bad post of their own, there is a chance that we won't see someone#2's bad post unless someone#3 (or #1, whichever ) reports it.
The cure for the ills of democracy is more democracy, and the cure for the ills of reporting is more reporting. Let us know when you see something wrong; we definitely appreciate it!
Daniel
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While I am guilty of injecting some humor about possible rules, the humor was not directed at any board member. I think it is one thing to joke about rules that would never be included in a game, and another to attack someone personally. I think that a sense of humor is a good thing, but I do not want posters feeling hurt.
Perhaps some thread consolidation might be a good idea. Or to include such subject headings as Speculation or 4E Speculation -- or even 4E humor. I think that everyone would agree that a sense of humor does contribute to fun on the board -- the whole reason for us being here in the first place.
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I think it's a case of new members, or members whom don't scan the boards all that often, not seeing the bazillion other posts on the same topic.
For instance, I know I only go back 2 or 3 pages - and the other day, when a new 4e thread was posted (which I noted and posted in), I don't recall seeing any of the other 4e threads in those 2 or 3 pages (doesn't mean they weren't there, just that I didn't notice them ).
It's not a hanging offense for people to post on the topic - especially since there's a probably a good chance they haven't seen the other bazillion threads on the topic. If the subject irratates you, don't read it. Works great for me. I agree with the fact snarky comments are kinda rude. Granted, I find them amusing - but the original poster most likely does not. And, were they to start happening in a thread I started to ask a simple question - I would be a little P.O.'d as well.
I noted someone in that thread calling the OP a troll - which I thought was a little out of line, but I figured if the OP was offended by it they'd report it.
I think the big problem is posters won't let a serious discussion actually happen. They derail the topics with what they think is humerious posts, but its actually trolling. They aren't breaking any rules exactly but people are preventing discusions. And its just because they can't not read a thread clearly marked 4e. Its fine to do that in the 4e thread marked humor, but all of them get derailed.
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, but it is just amazing to see the denials and ayes on the whole thing.
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