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Old 22nd December 2005, 03:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Review system broken?

Is it normal to have five 5-star reviews of the same product appear on the same day, back-to-back? Three of the reviews were only a couple sentences long.

While am not questioning the legitimacy of the reviews, something does seem odd about it.

I have been very concerned with ENWorld's review systems ever since I received those bogus 1-star reviews that were on the front page for over 3 days. The lack of oversight or ability to remove reviews makes me believe that it is easy to abuse.

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Old 22nd December 2005, 04:14 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Is it normal to have five 5-star reviews of the same product appear on the same day, back-to-back? Three of the reviews were only a couple sentences long.
And all three of the posters that posted those three short reviews had one or two posts to their name.
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I think it's broken - there seems to be serious problems with the review system for quite a while, and it's only been getting worse.
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Old 22nd December 2005, 04:25 PM   #4 (permalink)
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There is this, too, of course (found it via lior shapira's thread in General). It doesn't really shed too much more light on the situation, but might explain things a bit.
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There is this, too, of course (found it via lior shapira's thread in General). It doesn't really shed too much more light on the situation, but might explain things a bit.
I can't access that link - something about insufficient member or somesuch. What does it say?

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Old 22nd December 2005, 04:43 PM   #6 (permalink)
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The Review has been not working right for almost a year now. There have been improvements and things fixed there, but there are still problems. I'm hoping Chris or Spoony can solve this latest problem for us.
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Old 22nd December 2005, 04:44 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Sure. I guess the fora require registration. Basically, Vascant's calling for reviews (post dated 12/21/05 at 2:26 PM).
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If anyone has not noticed NPC Designer is now also available at ENWorld Game Store, this also has opened up room for some reviews. In 5 months the only person who has really given any kind of a review has been Mr Cook on his own site, be nice if some other users would share their honest review NPC Designer.

The link: http://www.enworld.org/reviews.php?d...productid=1605 06
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The Review has been not working right for almost a year now. There have been improvements and things fixed there, but there are still problems. I'm hoping Chris or Spoony can solve this latest problem for us.
Wasn't the idea that all reviews posted get viewed by moderators before being submitted to the reviews database? Or at least that's what I gathered from the reviews page.

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Sure. I guess the fora require registration. Basically, Vascant's calling for reviews (post dated 12/21/05 at 2:26 PM).
Ah, OK, thanks. Still, I think people should differentiate between comments and reviews. I don't think you can add comments to ENWorld Gamestore, although you can rate a product, something which is also open to abuse.

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Wasn't the idea that all reviews posted get viewed by moderators before being submitted to the reviews database? Or at least that's what I gathered from the reviews page.

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We read them all but not before they get posted. RPGNet does that and I like that but doubt we can set something like that up.
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Old 22nd December 2005, 04:55 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Ah, OK, thanks. Still, I think people should differentiate between comments and reviews. I don't think you can add comments to ENWorld Gamestore, although you can rate a product, something which is also open to abuse.
I agree. That's the problem with an open system like this, but, then again, the low barrier to entry for posting reviews can lead to some really decent fan reviews.
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I'd be concerned about any easy way to remove reviews as well. If there were a way, the burden of the challenge should be on whomever wants it taken down. People are, after all, entitled to their opinions of a product.
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Old 22nd December 2005, 05:46 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Sure. I guess the fora require registration. Basically, Vascant's calling for reviews (post dated 12/21/05 at 2:26 PM).
As is his right to. I have no problems with that.

My issue is that poorly written reviews are being posted, and nothing is done about it until after someone complains. Even worse, the review are not removed.

What's to stop someone from posting links to a porn site?

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Old 22nd December 2005, 07:53 PM   #14 (permalink)
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My issue is that poorly written reviews are being posted, and nothing is done about it until after someone complains. Even worse, the review are not removed.

What's to stop someone from posting links to a porn site?
That's a problem, and I know it's come up before. I know this is partially a semantic issue, but it's not that nothing's being done so much as (as Crothian's pointed out) nothing can be done at the moment because of some issues with the code and what not. I'm sure Chris or Michael are looking into it when they can.

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That's a problem, and I know it's come up before. I know this is partially a semantic issue, but it's not that nothing's being done so much as (as Crothian's pointed out) nothing can be done at the moment because of some issues with the code and what not. I'm sure Chris or Michael are looking into it when they can.

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Fair enough. I just wanted to address this since a problem has clearly occured twice in as many weeks.

As soon as people start catching on that they can post anything they want with almost no reprecussions, then this problem could potentially get worse.

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Fair enough. I just wanted to address this since a problem has clearly occured twice in as many weeks.

As soon as people start catching on that they can post anything they want with almost no reprecussions, then this problem could potentially get worse.

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WEll, people can still get banned, that works. So, its not like they can post anything without reprecussions.
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WEll, people can still get banned, that works. So, its not like they can post anything without reprecussions.
Very cool.

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Wow! NINE five-star reviews of the same product on Enworld within 24 hours!


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