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Old 6th February 2007, 08:05 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Posting 4E Questions for 4E Play-Tests?

There are a lot of 4E threads lately, probably because many people are seeing signs that a 4th edition is around the corner. However, I wonder if there is a more insidious reason. Does anyone think it is possible, nay likely, that some of the posters asking for input on 4E are asking because they are currently PLAY-TESTING 4E? I think it is very possible. It is happening on WotC boards too.
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There are a lot of 4E threads lately, probably because many people are seeing signs that a 4th edition is around the corner. However, I wonder if there is a more insidious reason. Does anyone think it is possible, nay likely, that some of the posters asking for input on 4E are asking because they are currently PLAY-TESTING 4E? I think it is very possible. It is happening on WotC boards too.
Not really. If they were playtesting, they'd be under strict NDA and gabbing about it would have swift and unpleasent reprocussions.


Doesn't fit, sorry.
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Not necessarily. They are not gabbing about it by just talking about prospects for 4e, especially if they do not mention any ideas specifically proposed by the play-test rules. Erik Mona hinted at his project for months before we finally found out it was Castle Greyhawk (which many of us deduced ahead of time). They would be gabbing about it by saying "We are play-testing 4e, get ready for this!" or otherwise indicating in a somewhat definitive manner than 4e is on the table. As long as they phrase their posts as loose speculation, I doubt that would violate any nondisclosure agreement.
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I'm fairly certain that tx7321 at very least is NOT currently playtesting 4E
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Wow, now THAT's paranoia.

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He's playtesting 4e, how would he otherwise know of 4e?
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There are a lot of 4E threads lately, probably because many people are seeing signs that a 4th edition is around the corner.
Most of these same people have been seeing 4E around the corner since 2003. You're giving it all a lot more weight than it deserves.
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MerricB has been seeing 4e around the corner since 2003?

My point is merely that other unlikely subjects have started to join the bandwagon.
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Actuallly it doesnt sound that strange that WOTC would not be gathering Intel on what the public wants for a 4e by having certain people on certain boards post 4e topics to get the ball rolling down hill. Face it, it does seem like when one pops up (4e thread) more follow in a snowball like effect. Then maybe we have lurkers or guests who look at all the 4e topics to get a good idea on how the public feels.
So if that was the case wouldnt it be good for those that dont want 4e to actually post on all of these 4e threads saying No way to it?

Buy the way WOTC spy I DONT WANT 4E! Unless it's akin to 3e > 3.5 in changes.
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Actuallly it doesnt sound that strange that WOTC would not be gathering Intel on what the public wants for a 4e by having certain people on certain boards post 4e topics to get the ball rolling down hill.
To me it sounds outlandish. If it was ever revealed that this particular conspiracy theory is true then I'd be so surprised that I would spontaneolusly combust.

Sure, WotC gathering information from reading threads and asking not so obvious questions in an official capacity, I can see that.

Giving people the task to subersively start 4e threads so that WotC can gather information, no I can't see that.

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So all the "What does XXX eat" threads means a food sourcebook is coming out? Didn't see it on the schedule at WOTC. Msut be 3rd party.

Seriously, once a topic comes up on these boards, it spawns other threads like crazy, add in all the cross board posters and it spreads around all over the place.
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I doubt it, but even if it was the case, I wouldn't label it as "insidious".
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Reviewing postings, every year in preperation for GenCon we get those guessing this is the year WotC will announce the next edition of DnD. Eventually they'll be right and then we'll never hear the end of it for not believing them.
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Okay, well, I confess it:

It's me. Me and the poster under the name of Arashi Ravenblade (an account shared by James Jacobs, Ari Marmell and Carl Sargent) are the current developers of 4e.

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Reviewing postings, every year in preperation for GenCon we get those guessing this is the year WotC will announce the next edition of DnD. Eventually they'll be right and then we'll never hear the end of it for not believing them.
They're like televangelists predicting the end of the world.

Except, of course, the televangelists won't really get to gloat much.

Which makes the 4e demagogues just that much smarter than the televangelists.

So, you know, they got that goin for em.
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Giving people the task to subersively start 4e threads so that WotC can gather information, no I can't see that.
That is not what I was suggesting. I was merely suggesting that perhaps play-testers are trying to furtively gather feedback from others not involved in the play-test by creating the occassionl 4e thread.
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Considering the glut of 4e threads, we're going to be a bit strict about where they belong. As this is a thread about the threads, off to Meta!
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That is not what I was suggesting. I was merely suggesting that perhaps play-testers are trying to furtively gather feedback from others not involved in the play-test by creating the occassionl 4e thread.
Nope, that's not what is happening.
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That is not what I was suggesting. I was merely suggesting that perhaps play-testers are trying to furtively gather feedback from others not involved in the play-test by creating the occassionl 4e thread.
Ah, my mistake.

I still think it highly unlikely that WotC instituted a super secret 4e playtest program, probably regulated by NDAs covering all manner of restrictions, only to then recruit bunch of untrustworthy testers who can't stay off the messageboards trolling for under cover responses to things included in the test.

If people were untrustworthy enough to play the boards for reactions, that play test program would be in even more serious trouble, since I find it improbable that such testers would manage to keep quiet about the entire program.

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That is not what I was suggesting. I was merely suggesting that perhaps play-testers are trying to furtively gather feedback from others not involved in the play-test by creating the occassionl 4e thread.
That isn't the playtester's job, though. They are supposed to gather feedback from playing. Why would they risk violating their NDA to gather information that they aren't supposed to gather?

I would find a "WotC shills are out there gathering information" plot at least plausible. But a, "Playtesters going out of their way to gather information for which they don't even have a proper submission channel," plot sounds less than reasonable.
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I apologize to Arashi, btw. I used his name just because he is one of those who are most suspicious about a possible 4e.
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