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Old 23rd July 2008, 08:17 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Not just you, ENWorld has been unusually slow for me the last week or so. I'm thinking there might be some bugs or something in the system from the ENWorld 2 launch that need to be worked out.
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Old 23rd July 2008, 08:55 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Not possible. And how soon do you forget these problems where present on the old codebase as well.
To be brutally honest with you, I didn't experienced those problems on my end and I was on dial-up.

The idea of having to be patient can be difficult since I'm already spoiled on the high speed of broadband (albeit it is only 3Mbps). In the time it takes to wait, I can make a tuna salad sandwich from scratch, and that includes mincing up a celery stalk.
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Old 23rd July 2008, 09:21 AM   #23 (permalink)
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To be brutally honest with you, I didn't experienced those problems on my end and I was on dial-up.

The idea of having to be patient can be difficult since I'm already spoiled on the high speed of broadband (albeit it is only 3Mbps). In the time it takes to wait, I can make a tuna salad sandwich from scratch, and that includes mincing up a celery stalk.
To be brutally honest with you, expecting me to be able to fix this is like asking a carpenter to fix your plumbing.

I am a PHP/Javascript programmer. I am NOT a Linux system administrator though I've been pressed into the role for far too long. I'm trying my damn hardest here, but at this point I'm all but shooting in the dark. I'm helpless to effect any change in the setup and it seems like the more I try the worse the problem gets though for the last few hours the server has been mostly responsive.
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Old 23rd July 2008, 10:39 AM   #24 (permalink)
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As a programmer who's been forced into the administrator role too many times, I feel for you. I think it's time ENWorld hired an admin - part time would be fine, heck - even if he looked at the server once or twice a week should be enough to keep things running a bit more smoothly.
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Old 23rd July 2008, 09:39 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Pages not opening; opening TOO slowly

This has been a quibble of mine since ENWorld 1, and now the second version seems to have the persistant bug. If I open one window, it opens slowly. If I open two tabs for separate threads, it completely craps out no matter what. It's not my connection or my settings on my router at work or at home, the site just opens threads super slow.

Can I get better performance by becoming a paying member?
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Old 23rd July 2008, 09:43 PM   #26 (permalink)
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There's appoximately 70-billion threads on this already.

We're working on it as best we can. No, it's nothing to do with payment.
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Old 24th July 2008, 12:16 AM   #27 (permalink)
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As a programmer who's been forced into the administrator role too many times, I feel for you. I think it's time ENWorld hired an admin - part time would be fine, heck - even if he looked at the server once or twice a week should be enough to keep things running a bit more smoothly.
ENWorld really needs a full-time developer and a full-time server admin (and a full-time DBA would help). But it doesn't make enough money to let Morrus run ENWorld full-time, let alone hire staff (they certainly wouldn't need to call for donations or charge for subscriptions if they had $200,000-$400,000 to pay salaries and benefits).
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Old 24th July 2008, 12:19 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Not possible. And how soon do you forget these problems where present on the old codebase as well.
Except that I did not have the silly thing time out three out of four times with the old site. No forgetting here - worse experiences instead, this version is crapping out more often. The implication otherwise is rather annoying. The closest was the period where the only way to regularly be able to reply was using the Quick Reply option - this does not seem much the same.

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Maybe it's time to hire a diagnostics firm/freelancer or MySQL programmer for a few hours/days to fix this issue? I'm sure the money spent on this expert will be made up from keeping lots of subscribers who might be fed up with the slow loads, and all the new users who will never give the site a chance because of it.

This is not meant as an insult to anyone, but the slowness of the site is killing my desire (and likely others) to visit EN World.

From a commercial standpoint with 4E just recently release, this is the time when EN World should be a smooth as possible to attract new users. These new users, and users of old, are being scared off by the slow loads. Two of my friends who have just started playing D&D with the new edition, couldn't even get the site to load (or they were impatient, but the fact is now they aren't going back).

As MM wrote, as much effort as he puts into this place, it might be beyond his skills as he isn't a database programmer (but your efforts are very much appreciated, MM, and I think you've done so much good for EN World).
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Old 24th July 2008, 02:44 PM   #31 (permalink)
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i know nothink about computers.

but i do know i saw some strange address information popping up on the bottom of my browser (IE 7.0.5730.11) as it was trying to connect to a thread or post yesterday. unfortunately i know nothink about computers. so i couldn't capture it. i do remember it had some x's and y's and d's though.

edit: it read something like waiting for http://xkcd.... even though, i was posting or reading a thread here. very bizarre.
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Old 24th July 2008, 06:06 PM   #34 (permalink)
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I'm sorry, but this problem is beyond me to fix.
Sounds like ENWorld's down for the count, then.

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To be brutally honest with you, expecting me to be able to fix this is like asking a carpenter to fix your plumbing.
I don't recall him saying anything about expecting you specifically to fix it. Just that it be fixed. I would (continually, since that seems to be needed) advise you to try not to take such things personally.
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Maybe this should be prominently advertised? This is something I was completely unaware of.

I'm guessing very few people read the Meta forum and are even aware that the site could use some help. Put up a notice on the front page, and you'll probably get some volunteers who are competent in the necessary areas.
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Old 24th July 2008, 08:40 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Yer KILLIN me EnWorld 2!!!!

Man... Maybe it's just me, but ever since enworld2 made its debut, the board has been SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOW. Slower then Slow. I'd rename it slowy McSlowster.com if I could, it's that slow.

It took me half an hour to write this thread, the majority of that time spent waiting for 1. the meta forum to laod, and 2. the new post page to load. Now who knows how long it will take to actually post it, and then refresh the board.

It doesn't always take THAT long, but long enough.

I'm using ie6 at work if that's of any help.
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Old 24th July 2008, 09:30 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Maybe this should be prominently advertised? This is something I was completely unaware of.

I'm guessing very few people read the Meta forum and are even aware that the site could use some help. Put up a notice on the front page, and you'll probably get some volunteers who are competent in the necessary areas.
I second this. If this site needs help as badly as it seems to need it then it should be screaming for help!
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Old 24th July 2008, 11:39 PM   #38 (permalink)
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They're aware of the problem. There are a few other threads about it... one just above (or below, once I post) this one.
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I'm not sure if this has anything to do with the slowdown (it probably doesn't, since it's on the client side, but there may be something similar on the server side as well...), but I'm getting loads and loads of JavaScript memory leak warnings on ENWorld. Here's one report (from the main forum page):

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Leaks in window 0x3c03760:
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[-] bind (18282d8, http://www.enworld.org/js/lib/prototype.js, 205-208) = [Function]
[-] bindAsEventListener (1828348, http://www.enworld.org/js/lib/prototype.js, 213-215) = [Function]
[-] curry (18283b8, http://www.enworld.org/js/lib/prototype.js, 220-223) = [Function]
[-] delay (1828428, http://www.enworld.org/js/lib/prototype.js, 228-232) = [Function]
[-] wrap (1828e38, http://www.enworld.org/js/lib/prototype.js, 235-237) = [Function]
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