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View Poll Results: How do you rate the edition climate at ENWorld
To tell the truth, I almost quit ENWorld because it seemed so pro-4e that it was difficult to stay. Then, I discovered that there were only a few people that were causing this impression, and so I stayed and even started posting. As time goes by, my opinion has changed. What do others think? What is your impression of the prevailing attitude of ENWorld.
And please, don't start and edition war over this. I'm interested in how people perceive ENWorld and not the merits of one edition over another.
A thread with a post by angelsboi... Wow, that is a long time ago...
I voted "fair and balanced", but that's actually not the best description for it. In those "real" edition war threads, I am not sure it can be called fair or balanced.
But elsewhere there is a lot of opportunity to discuss things from both sides. There might be only an edition bias if we are actually discussing only one edition, but that would be to be expected, right?
Edit: On second thought, maybe the fact that 4E is discussed more then 3E might be a point that there is a bias towards 4E? Hmmm...
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Like the OP, I perceived a very strong pro-4E bias up until a couple of months ago. I find things much more balanced now.
BTW, you'd gain more useful information if you had choices in the poll like:
* Pro-4E, and I'm pro-4E
* Pro-4E, and I'm not pro-4E
* Pro-3E, and I'm pro-3E
* Pro-3E, and I'm not pro-3E
... and so on.
It might be worth scrapping this poll and starting a new one, in fact, especially give the weird thread-transfer effect on voting, which got me, too.
BTW, this is my 2,000th post. Yay me.
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I too perceived a strong pro-4E aura here. It was so unbearable that it actually drove me away ("plenty of other forums, no need to waste time" and so on). I have recently started to check the posts here a bit more seriously (as opposed to the "oh, let's just check enworld for a few seconds, on the off chance that something useful and interesting might be found" mentality I had adopted during this time), and things have started to even up a bit. Let's see...
Many anti-4th edition statements from very few members, countered by some pro-4th edition jubilation from other slightly more members equals the ENWorld boards a little bit.
Even if there's still some threadcrapping and thinly disquised edition war going on, with always the same people in it.
I had the strange thread warp happen when I voted as well.
I voted for fair and balanced. I've seen both pro and anti sides seeming to take over the boards with their threads. Both seem to be able to comment without any undue censorship, as long as both sides remain civil.
I will say that there seems to be more in the way of 4e threads right now, but I place the blame for that on the fact that it is the new and shiny at the moment, and it is the system getting all the new relases. I figure the 3e threads will see an up tick about the time that paizo lets their finalized pathfinder rules out into the wild. Especially if they get some buy in by some of the 3pp. We'll see how things fall.
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I'd say still slightly anti-4E, solely based on posters, not ENWorld "management". While I have seen 1, maybe 2, "ZOMG! 4E roxxor!" threads, I have seen many more threads started just to tell us all that some guy on the interweb doesn't like 4E. There are of course those that react in the opposite way in such threads, I'm basing my vote on threads started.
Edit: And of course now I see the new big 4E love thread. :doh:
I'd say still slightly anti-4E, solely based on posters, not ENWorld "management". While I have seen 1, maybe 2, "ZOMG! 4E roxxor!" threads, I have seen many more threads started just to tell us all that some guy on the interweb doesn't like 4E.
To me there is a strong pro 4E bias on the site and has been for some time now. This is most clearly reflected in how the boards are moderated.
Someone who does not like some aspect of 4E and posts this opinion in a pro 4E thread is banned from the thread but the thread continues. While someone who is pro 4E can thread crap in a discussion about a shortcoming of 4E and the thread gets locked instead, a win-win for the pro 4E crowd.
Similarly someone who is pro 4E makes personal attacks against someone who is critical of 4E and they simply get a reprimand. Meanwhile when someone who is foolish enough to do the same to the pro 4E crowd, they not only get a thread ban or site ban but the offensive post actually gets deleted.
Even now there is lengthy thread which basically says that if you don’t switch to 4E then the problem is with you not with 4E somehow I can’t imagine the reverse sticking around long.
Point in case not that long ago there was a lengthy thread discussing the flaws of 3E this thread grew long and stayed civil yet at the same time several threads were started to try and have a similarly calm discussion about 4E’s flaws and those were consistently thread crapped by the pro 4E crowd and locked down by the mods. If this isn’t bias then I don’t know what is.
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I'd have to say it's slightly pro-4e. It was worse, but never as bad as RPG.net's D20 forum is.
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It's the mod's fault that the 4e crowd is full of whiners and thread-crappers? and that the anti-4e crowd tends to insulting vbannable offenses?
Note that the poll is not about the moderation - though one could probably distinguish between "moderation policy" and "member demographics" or something.
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It's the mod's fault that the 4e crowd is full of whiners and thread-crappers? and that the anti-4e crowd tends to insulting vbannable offenses?
When the same behavior by both factions is not moderated the same way and in this case moderated in a way which favors pro 4E discussion and discourages the opposite, yes this is a function of site moderation.
__________________ I play 4E, it's too bad we cannot discuss its flaws yet without flamewars and thread crapping.
When the same behavior by both factions is not moderated the same way and in this case moderated in a way which favors pro 4E discussion and discourages the opposite, yes this is a function of site moderation.
I think the non-infrequent bannings of pro-4e regulars (Wis, I'm looking at you! ) disagrees with you.
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