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Old 22nd June 2009, 07:16 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Jeez, man... Cool down.

You don't get any special brownie points for being the first to post "It's up" for everything WotC releases.

Admin here. I'm honestly not quite sure why you're being summarily rude, but this is a good example of a post that sure doesn't bring anything but insults to a thread. Please avoid this sort of thing next time. Thanks. ~ PCat
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Old 22nd June 2009, 02:55 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Reported for Spam/Advertisement (links to a commercial website with costs).



Ok, not really.

But it would be useful to actually flag those threads with DDI-only or something, as I suppose the vast majority of the users reading this board are actually not DDI-subscribers, and many probably jump into a thread like this only to find a huge "give us your money" sign and no information at all on the other end of the link.

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Old 22nd June 2009, 03:07 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Thanee, they're flagged with "Dragon." To me that denotes ddi. Would something more specific be useful?
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Old 22nd June 2009, 03:18 PM   #4 (permalink)
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It might make sense to have a Dragon/Dungeon (subscription) only and a Dragon/Dungeon (free) differentiation. Similar to the News page.
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Old 22nd June 2009, 03:21 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Aren't there free previews anymore?

Admittedly, this might be a bit hypothetical, but there simply is no way to tell from the title or the post or the link, that it is not useful for anyone who has no DDI subscription. There is a hint ("dragon magazine"), but that's it.

I can see it as being a bit annoying to follow a link like that, hoping for some information and only finding that you have to pay for that information.

Something more telling ("DDI subscribers") would probably prevent that (whether that is necessary is another question; I just think it is worthy of being commented on).

And as I said half in jest, the first post is actually very close to advertisement spam (it's basically on topic advertisement spam ).

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Jeez, I thought a bunch of threads about actual gaming content would be a welcome respite from this weekend's edition war threads. In any case, I was going to go back and add my thoughts to the threads, but I was told I had to go to bed, so I didn't get a chance!
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Oh, believe me, they are. They are.
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Thanee, they're flagged with "Dragon." To me that denotes ddi. Would something more specific be useful?
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It might make sense to have a Dragon/Dungeon (subscription) only and a Dragon/Dungeon (free) differentiation. Similar to the News page.
Looking at the Editorial Calendar, the Dragon/Dungeon appellation indicates DDI-only content. My suggestion would be to avoid using the term here to denote free articles. Since the free articles cover a number of different subjects, and have different names, something generic should probably be used. Honestly though, I'm stuck on what to call it. Nothing good comes to mind.
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Aren't there free previews anymore?
Of upcoming products? Yes.
Of Dragon or Dungeon articles? I don't think so, except maybe a short teaser.[/quote]


But one thing to note - we have this "problem" with other sources, too.
- A rulebook is not available to everyone.
- Other magazines (Kobold Quarterly for example)

I suppose something might be nice to indicate "subscription required for contents of article that is discussed".

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Either you are still very young or still very married or in similar relationship? [/off-topic]

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On the actual article - I notice that most of the path still seem to be better fit for a Bard than someone multiclassed into Bard...
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Looking at the Editorial Calendar, the Dragon/Dungeon appellation indicates DDI-only content. My suggestion would be to avoid using the term here to denote free articles. Since the free articles cover a number of different subjects, and have different names, something generic should probably be used. Honestly though, I'm stuck on what to call it. Nothing good comes to mind.
Why not just adopt the terminology of the editorial calendar? By default, Dragon and Dungeon imply a subscription is necessary to view, but we can add a "free" tag to links from the editorial calendar that don't require a subscription.
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Jeez, I thought a bunch of threads about actual gaming content...
You see, for many members here it is not actual gaming content, but just a page that says "put your money in here, please".

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I don't have a DDI subscription but I still like to read these threads so I can glean some of the content for free.

I'll probably subscribe sometime, and these threads make that more likely each time they come out.
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Old 22nd June 2009, 05:23 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Jeez, man... Cool down.

You don't get any special brownie points for being the first to post "It's up" for everything WotC releases.

Admin here. I'm honestly not quite sure why you're being summarily rude, but this is a good example of a post that sure doesn't bring anything but insults to a thread. Please avoid this sort of thing next time. Thanks. ~ PCat
He may have made it rudely but he has a point.

The OP doesn't bring anything to the thread either if you're being honest. If it's that important to post "It's up" for every DDI article that comes out a very small shell script hooked to the RSS feed.

There's a large difference between commenting on an article and just posting to say it's up. I'm surprised that thread starts like that aren't banned with as heavy handed as the moderation is around here.
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I don't have a DDI subscription but I still like to read these threads so I can glean some of the content for free.
Ditto

I'm also looking forward to the Dragon Magazine Annual 2009. I hope they manage to include most of the really essential stuff, like the race writeups.
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He may have made it rudely but he has a point.

The OP doesn't bring anything to the thread either if you're being honest. If it's that important to post "It's up" for every DDI article that comes out a very small shell script hooked to the RSS feed.

There's a large difference between commenting on an article and just posting to say it's up. I'm surprised that thread starts like that aren't banned with as heavy handed as the moderation is around here.
I'd rather have a post on ENWorld about it. It's a good placeholder for comments, if nothing else.

Also, I check ENWorld more than I check my RSS feeds for WotC. This is helpful information, and certainly more interesting than the Edition Wars of 1812.

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He may have made it rudely but he has a point.

The OP doesn't bring anything to the thread either if you're being honest. If it's that important to post "It's up" for every DDI article that comes out a very small shell script hooked to the RSS feed.

There's a large difference between commenting on an article and just posting to say it's up. I'm surprised that thread starts like that aren't banned with as heavy handed as the moderation is around here.
Well, a few folks that week in and week out tend to almost be in a race to start a thread for each and every single article on the DDI with nothing more than a post of "It's up!" and a link to WotC's paysite, well it borders on the obnoxious.

I'd be in favor of a single thread for each issue of the e-zine as was done for the print magazines or a subforum for DDI non-free articles.
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There's a large difference between commenting on an article and just posting to say it's up. I'm surprised that thread starts like that aren't banned with as heavy handed as the moderation is around here.
As a DDI subscriber I check Wotc early in morning, so these kind of posts per se are kinda useless.

That said, I like to see people's comments and reactions about the articles even before I read them, so I disagree about banning the "It's up" posts.
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I'm grateful for the posts because (a) I know I can come here and find a handy link that goes straight to the article as soon as it's available, without having to navigate around WotC's site, and (b) as someone said above, it is a handy placehold for discussion of a particular article.
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Well, a few folks that week in and week out tend to almost be in a race to start a thread for each and every single article on the DDI with nothing more than a post of "It's up!" and a link to WotC's paysite, well it borders on the obnoxious.

I'd be in favor of a single thread for each issue of the e-zine as was done for the print magazines or a subforum for DDI non-free articles.
But unlike the print magazines, these articles are published individually. Moreover the individual threads all seem to spark some conversation, enough to keep them on the top page for a couple of days (or more if they are rules heavy). Making them a single thread would make the thread unreadable, and the interest they generate seems to warrant individual threads.

I cannot say I love the first post mentality, especially since often it does not even include a comment beyond the link. But it is epidemic across the internet and happens for more than Dragon articles (heck it seems to be a race for OotS posts).

As for the link WotC DDI calendar or article, it is the same with starting a thread about any product that you have to pay for. Enworld is a place to talk about D&D so I think it would be weird not to have posts about new D&D material.
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