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Well - if the bills aren't being paid, then yes! My soon-to-be-wife doesn't want to have to indirectly subsidize the place any more, and I don't want her to have to.
Staff. It needs paid staff. Including, from Xmas, me, if I'm going to spend another decade of my life on it!
Fair enough. So what we really need to do now is to figure out how to double the readership of the site by Christmas.
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I'm still getting a bar in the middle of the thread with some very annoying Evony ads. But I also have two ad banners at the bottom of the page, how do I disable those?
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I'm still getting a bar in the middle of the thread with some very annoying Evony ads. But I also have two ad banners at the bottom of the page, how do I disable those?
Morrus is working on that one, I believe. They were added recently and the code to remove them isn't working (yet (soon, hopefully)).
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Not like that's a bad policy. Evony is kind of like the Internet's cockroach, ubiquitous, adaptable, and universally despised.
I don't really pay much attention to ads one way or the other. I've gotten used to them being part of the internet experience. What I do dislike though are ads with bad scripting that make my browser crash. That can be even more obnoxious than Evony.
Same as my opinion. I don't bother with ad-blockers, but I do have a problem with some ads crashing my browser, as is the case with some (not all) of the GoogleAds that run on EN World lately. Thus I need to shut off the ads in my Community Supporter account options, otherwise I can't do anything here half the time.
It's not bandwidth; the server costs are the same every month. The problem is that things that used to pay for those costs now don't. EN World made $7.50 this month. Total.
Ouch. That explains the desperation leading to the obnoxious changes on the site and the newsletter spamming.
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But IF EN World's existence provides you with $35 benefit a year (say, a cheap meal out once a year), I'd ask you to consider the account anyway.
$35 isn't a cheap meal. Your rulebook comparison is a better one. The material (e.g. the 3e monster conversions and Wulf's Trailblazer previews) and the community have some value.
OTOH, there are a lot of ways in which this site is run that really bother me. With those in mind, I find the idea of sending more money to Morrus to be repellent, despite the excellent forums and d20 resources here.
1% response is a pretty good rule of thumb - that would be pretty close to the 1,000 Morrus needs so it may be quite attainable.
If not then things could get sticky. Depending on the Terms of Use for Community Supporter Accounts, if Morrus decides to shut the site in January 2010 he may/may not have to reimburse those who have paid in advance (up to 2011) as well.
Also depending on events, it may be possible to transfer EN World to a new owner (it's happened before) - but EN World does feel very much Morrus, so it could go the way of www.portent.net . (Let's hope not!)
Running larger scale web sites can be tough and I laud Morrus' wish to make a paid job (as opposed to an unpaid one)!
The material (e.g. the 3e monster conversions and Wulf's Trailblazer previews) and the community have some value.
OTOH, there are a lot of ways in which this site is run that really bother me. With those in mind, I find the idea of sending more money to Morrus to be repellent, despite the excellent forums and d20 resources here.
Not only would the Trailblazer previews not exist without ENworld, Trailblazer itself would not exist without ENworld. Much of the development arose from discussions right here in this community.
I will be extending my ENworld Community Supporter account because the ENworld community supports me.
No offence, man, but that's one of the reasons this site is in danger of closing. You're not a community supporter, and you turn off the ads. So you're a net disadvantage to EN World. I'm paying for the privilege of having you here.
You probably think what you do dopesn't make a difference. But if a whole bunch of people all think it doesn't matter, it then matters, and sites close down. And believe me, EN World is in a make-or-break situation at present. If it doesn't get 1000 subscribers by Christmas, this site is going to close.
In response to this, Morrus, I've just put the ads back on for ENWorld despite having ad-blocker installed.
comparison is a better one. The material (e.g. the 3e monster conversions and Wulf's Trailblazer previews) and the community have some value.
OTOH, there are a lot of ways in which this site is run that really bother me. With those in mind, I find the idea of sending more money to Morrus to be repellent, despite the excellent forums and d20 resources here.
Um... As a veteran of several boards which have closed, let me assure you that the board and the community are tied pretty closely together. You can't have one without the other. You might think, "Well, the community can just move to this other site," but it really doesn't work that way.
If you value the community, I'd recommend valuing the site as well.
OTOH, there are a lot of ways in which this site is run that really bother me. With those in mind, I find the idea of sending more money to Morrus to be repellent, despite the excellent forums and d20 resources here.
Seriously? If you harbor that much resentment toward Morrus and this site, why do you continue to post here?
No need to get hostile. The man just expressed his opinion.
I don't suppose someone could help me out? I don't mind letting EN World ads run (and they show up usually, since most of the time I browse away from home), but at home I have NoScript. Is there a way for me to allow scripted ads for this site (and others I frequent), but not elsewhere?
I like that I lessen the risk of stumbling into a nasty site, but I don't want to deny Russ a bit of aid in his income.
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No need to get hostile. The man just expressed his opinion.
Posting hostility is a no-no. Here anyway. And he can certainly post his opinions, and I can feel free to feel however I feel about it.
EDIT: And for the record, I wouldn't take issue if he couldn't support the site, didn't think it was valuable enough to support, or just plain didn't feel like it. I do have an issue with someone taking the time to say both that they value the information on it, and that they find the idea of paying for that information "repellent." It's a big difference, IMO, that goes well into the personal.
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I don't suppose someone could help me out? I don't mind letting EN World ads run (and they show up usually, since most of the time I browse away from home), but at home I have NoScript. Is there a way for me to allow scripted ads for this site (and others I frequent), but not elsewhere?
Unlike Adblock, I don't think NoScript works that way. You're blocking the sites serving the scripts, not the site which calls the site serving the script. If you unblock googlesyndication.com here, you unblock it everywhere.
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Unlike Adblock, I don't think NoScript works that way. You're blocking the sites serving the scripts, not the site which calls the site serving the script. If you unblock googlesyndication.com here, you unblock it everywhere.
No offence, man, but that's one of the reasons this site is in danger of closing. You're not a community supporter, and you turn off the ads. So you're a net disadvantage to EN World. I'm paying for the privilege of having you here.
You seem to have lost all perspective here, Morrus. Is that your way of welcoming visitors?!
If you don't want a lively community, but only paying customers, then make your site a pay site and be done with it. Of course, with 157 members, that will be the death of ENWorld as a focus spot for D&D discussion. (It will not be the death of the discussion though: it will simply move to a more welcoming environment).
Describing your non-paying visitors as "net disadvantages" is incredibly short-sighted. If it weren't for your visitors, you would not have any product to sell: in fact, you would have nothing.
I sincerely hope you can find an advisor on public relations before you decide to scare away your main attraction: the people who regularly visit your site.
You seem to have lost all perspective here, Morrus. Is that your way of welcoming visitors?!
If you don't want a lively community, but only paying customers, then make your site a pay site and be done with it. Of course, with 157 members, that will be the death of ENWorld as a focus spot for D&D discussion. (It will not be the death of the discussion though: it will simply move to a more welcoming environment).
Describing your non-paying visitors as "net disadvantages" is incredibly short-sighted. If it weren't for your visitors, you would not have any product to sell: in fact, you would have nothing.
I sincerely hope you can find an advisor on public relations before you decide to scare away your main attraction: the people who regularly visit your site.
I think his point is: he gets ad revenue when ads display on your computer. By turning off ads, you are denying him even this small stream of income. By encouraging others to do the same, you are actively hurting his revenue. Does it really inconvenience you that much to let the ads show up on your screen, or at least change your sig?
You seem to have lost all perspective here, Morrus. Is that your way of welcoming visitors?!
If you don't want a lively community, but only paying customers, then make your site a pay site and be done with it. Of course, with 157 members, that will be the death of ENWorld as a focus spot for D&D discussion. (It will not be the death of the discussion though: it will simply move to a more welcoming environment).
Describing your non-paying visitors as "net disadvantages" is incredibly short-sighted. If it weren't for your visitors, you would not have any product to sell: in fact, you would have nothing.
I sincerely hope you can find an advisor on public relations before you decide to scare away your main attraction: the people who regularly visit your site.
Personal insults towards those who disagree with you are entirely inappropriate on this website.
As is encouraging others to block the ads. Please change your signature.
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