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I just noticed that according to the description of the d20 System and OGL games forum, Arcana Unearthed discussion should go there, not the General RPG Discussion. From a technical point of view, this may be valid (AU is an OGL stand-alone product) but isn't it viewed by most gamers as a d20/D&D product? I mean, certianly it is much closer than games like M&M, Star Wars, Spycraft, etc.
Certainly, a lot of AU discussion is going on in Gen Discussion right now.
Yeah, we only decided that yesterday. We figured that D20/OGL is a more appropriate forum than General RPG - Wheel of Time is in that forum, for example (the fantasy theme isn't the deciding criteria, just the fact that it's a D20 or OGL game which is not D&D).
I suppose the Wheel of Time analogy should mean that if WoT is in the d20 System forum, so should AU. I don't have AU (yet ), but it sure sounds like D&D to me.
Also, Monte descibes AU as an 'alternate Player's Handbook', not an 'alternate RPG', which Wheel of Time is.
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I agree that while technically that AU should probably go in d20/OGL games that its spirit seems to fit general RPG and DnD rules better than pretty much any other non DnD game.
If you have questions on running a campaign, campaign ideas, integrating AU classes with D&D classes, comparing AU to D&D and the like, those would be general. Things like questions on how the Magister's staff works should go in the D20 system games forum.
Originally posted by Dinkeldog If you have questions on running a campaign, campaign ideas, integrating AU classes with D&D classes, comparing AU to D&D and the like, those would be general. Things like questions on how the Magister's staff works should go in the D20 system games forum.
Not to get picky or complain or anything (I don't have AU so I don't care so much at this point) but I think that's going to be really difficult to regulate. A thread could easily start as an AU-only thread and veer into AU/D&D, and vice-versa. Also, I think a lot of posters will be confused by that rule, or simply won't know it.
Hmm. I think we'll need to discuss this; AU is OGL compliant, NOT d20 compliant. Wacky. It's a "variant player's handbook" (and a good one!), but NOT of D&D. D&D is not mentioned anywhere in the book.
But I agree that whatever we decide, we'll need to pick a forum and stick with it. Multiple forums make more work for us moderators!
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Originally posted by Darkness Midnight is in a similar situation, isn't it?
If it is i'd think it'd go were ever AU goes. For my two cents i would think that'd be General discussion. Wether or not esplicetedly stated in the books it seems pretty obvious they're both D&D books.
Originally posted by Darkness Heh. My point is, I've seen at least two Midnight threads in the d20 games board.
Really? I guess i don't check in there often enough, sence the d20 modern and M&M games i was playing ended. Like i said, in my mind i automatically associate AU and midnight with D&D, but obviously not everyone does. I guess a ruling either way would be cool. Although i too would prefure an all or nothing enforcement of what ever descition is made. Why confuse things and make them harder to deal with, right?
I'm not sure how much the average forum user is aware of the whole OGL vs D20 compliancy issue (though many are very aware, of course), particularly casual users. It really seems to me that most will instinctively view AU and Midnight as D&D products, whatever the technicalities. There certainly has been a lot of discussion of both in the Gen Discussion forum. Thus, putting discussion of such products may be confusing to some.
Also, I think it's worth noting that AU and Midnight are not stand-alone RPGs (as far as I understand), like the others normally discussed in the d20 system forum.
Well, anyway, whatever the moderators decide will be OK with me. I keep deciding to wait to buy AU,then I go to that long AU thread (now in the d20 System forum) and receive an urge to get it.
Originally posted by whydirt I agree that while technically that AU should probably go in d20/OGL games that its spirit seems to fit general RPG and DnD rules better than pretty much any other non DnD game.
I second that emotion.
There have been debates over the fragmenting of the game, into 3.0, 3.5, Midnight, AU, etc. Many "settings" introduce so many alternate rules that they barely qualify as DnD. Was Dark Sun DnD, just because it was TSR? Will the setting search contest winner's creation qualify as DnD?
It is a tough judgment call to decide what goes in the General forum v. the d20/OGL forum, but I if my vote counts then put me down for AU in General.
Monte Cooks recent PDF releases of AU extracts are d20 system products, with the d20 logo on the cover. Doesn't this clearly put AU into the Gen Discussion area?
I think for purposes of keeping things straight, it's better to keep Arcana Unearthed in the d20 forum for now. Any AU threads that get started in General that need to be moved will be redirected to d20 anyway, and people will likely get the hang of it soon enough.
It may be a situation where eventually AU may need its own forum (though unlikely at this point), but it depends solely on popularity.
But still, because it's an OGL / d20 license, I'm lobbying for the d20 forum being its correct home on ENWorld.
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), but it sure sounds like D&D to me.
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