Whats the "En World Concern" deal over at RPG.net?

Dragonblade · 13th September 2003, 04:26 AM

I was just cruising the RPG.net forums and they were talking about how some thread called "EN World Concern" (which I couldn't find anywhere)that got shut down and that the FBI was going to look into it.

Then a mod over there shut down the new thread saying they were still dealing with the issue of the old one.

WTF?? Does anyone know what this is about or whats going on?

Darrin Drader · 13th September 2003, 04:34 AM

Good question. I would like to know that myself.

Cedric · 13th September 2003, 04:36 AM

Hmm...I'm not sure either, but I would certainly like to know.

orbitalfreak · 13th September 2003, 04:42 AM

FBI? Could it have to do with the DoS attack?

Tsyr · 13th September 2003, 04:53 AM

Seems we are now a pr0n site

http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?threadid=74004

Mytholder · 13th September 2003, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by orbitalfreak

FBI? Could it have to do with the DoS attack?

No, it doesn't. It's nothing major. Our people will talk to Morrus' people.

Mytholder (rpg.net mod)

Cedric · 13th September 2003, 05:00 AM

Bah, you should have just said so...

Darrin Drader · 13th September 2003, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Tsyr

Seems we are now a pr0n site

That's too funny. I could almost see Nutkinland being accused of that... almost... but ENWorld

give me a break!

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Bah, you should have just said so...

Yeah, what's with all the Cloak & Dagger tm ?

jdrakeh · 13th September 2003, 05:41 AM

Edit: On second thought, that was innapropriate of me to post that. Deleted.

Azlan · 13th September 2003, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by jdrakeh

I apologize in advance for this. It really isn't funny...

For that the FBI is getting involved... ?!

This is a joke, right?

Azlan · 13th September 2003, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Tsyr

Seems we are now a pr0n site

When I first read that line, I thought, "What's 'pr0n'? Is that a new term from 'Net speak that I'm unaware of?"

Then I realized that is was simply a typo. Doh!

Dragonblade · 13th September 2003, 05:52 AM

Interesting... Well, the *ahem* non-game related pictures should be removed immediately, of course.

But I hardly call that a pr0n site. Still, I can understand the secrecy. Everybody and Eric's grandma will be checking out the pics and that probably isn't something they want to have happen.

But seriously, all secrecy does is make people want to find out what the heck is going on all the more. So the mods should at least provide the basic details when stuff like this happens.

Crothian · 13th September 2003, 05:54 AM

Just delete it and block whomever loaded it.....

Or is it more complicated somehow?

Dragonblade · 13th September 2003, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Azlan

When I first read that line, I thought, "What's 'pr0n'? Is that a new term from 'Net speak that I'm unaware of?"

Then I realized that is was simply a typo. Doh!

Not a typo. Pr0n is internet slang for porn.

**Henry** · 13th September 2003, 05:56 AM

First of all, jdrakeh, thank you for bringing it to our attention.

Second, thank you for removing that link.

Third, I've posted a message to the admins (above and beyond what the rpg.net mods have done), since they have to be the ones to take action.

Dragonblade · 13th September 2003, 06:00 AM

Between this and the WotC vs. BoEF tiff, things are certainly lively around here.

jdrakeh · 13th September 2003, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Azlan

This is a joke, right?

No.

A. Unless signed model releases are on file with the host, the material is in violation of Title 18 Sec. 1466:

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1466.html

B. If the site is accessible in any way by minors the material is in violation of Title 18 USC Sec. 1470:

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1470.html

C. If the material is not licensed to the site owner, they may be held liable for copyright infringement persuant to Title 17 USC Sec. 501:

http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap5.html#501

While "C" is a legal nightmare, "A" and "B" almost always end in prison terms being served. And, no, it's not a joke.

Dragonblade · 13th September 2003, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jdrakeh

No.

A. Unless signed model releases are on file with the host, the material is in violation of Title 18 Sec. 1466:

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1466.html

B. If the site is accessible in any way by minors the material is in violation of Title 18 USC Sec. 1470:

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1470.html

C. If the material is not licensed to the site owner, they may be held liable for copyright infringement persuant to Title 17 USC Sec. 501:

http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap5.html#501

While "C" is a legal nightmare, "A" and "B" almost always end in prison terms being served. And, no, it's not a joke.

Yet fullblown pr0n sites get away with showing much more graphic stuff than this all the time just on their splash pages. Personally, I think as long as Morrus takes action to remove the pics, I seriously doubt there can be any serious repercussions except maybe for the person who posted the pics in the first place.

jdrakeh · 13th September 2003, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Crothian

Or is it more complicated somehow?

Yes, it is. See my above post. The offender should definitely be barred, but it may already be too late to extricate Morrus from responsibility as he may, as the owner of the server, be held legally responsible for its content.

That said, I don't believe for a moment that he (Morrus) had knowledge of what the offender was doing or that he condones such things. Somebody simply way overstepped the boundaries that Morrus laid down for hosted sites.

I'd like to see Morrus walk away clean, EN World too - but the individual that abused the policy and trust of EN World (as well as federal law) should be hung out to dry.

(P.S. Don't thank me too quickly - I was one of the people that reported the material to the FBI.)

Darrin Drader · 13th September 2003, 06:14 AM

Wow! I stand corrected. Whose hosted site was that, anyway?